Pedo pal: Ralph Taylor trying to fiddle his way in.

We are all entitled to an opinion and there are a couple of people who are attending who in the opinion of others their innocence is open to question. Now when having an opinion is wrong?If Mr Bain is so sure of his innocence then he has nothing to fear from being open to critical scrutiny at the conference by either those attending or the media.


Edited by jeeves-50 at 1:54 pm, Sun 8 Jan


Quotejeeves-50 (10 ) 1:51 pm, Sun 8 Jan #60

Ralph Taylor laying down the conditions that he feels David Bain should expect at the pending Injustice Conference.
This is the same guy that continued to lie about the strip search of David Bain, and the blood of his father found inside the rifle barrel. He perpetuated these lies and has never retracted them. He also refused to take a bet on the validity of his claims, a man without conviction.
Now he deigns to offer what acceptable behaviour and scrutiny would be for those speaking at the conference. A liar who wants to impose conditions on others - don't think so Ralphie, like always with you - these something fiddly about that. Tut tut.

A few more statistics for you Ralphie....

Hi Ralphie, I bet you've been having a lot of fun today snickering and picking your nose. Here's some stuff for ya.

Suicidal Gunshot Wounds to the Head: A Retrospective Review of 406 Cases
Blumenthal, Ryan MBChB (Pret), MMed (Med Forens) Pret, FC For Path (SA), Dip For Med (SA)
AbstractA retrospective review of 406 suicidal gunshot wounds to the head, investigated at the Medico-Legal Laboratory of Pretoria, between 1997 and 2000 was performed. Fifty-seven percent of fatal suicidal firearm injury to the head occurred in the 21- to 40-year age range in both male and female victims. Eighty-two percent of all these victims of suicidal firearm fatalities to the head were male. Of the 406 cases, 63% were white, 31% were black, and 6% were of mixed ethnic and/or Asian decent. There was a slight increase in incidence around spring and autumn. Handguns were used in the majority of cases with shoulder weapons being used in 18 of the 406 cases. Ninety-two percent of the suicidal gunshot wounds to the head occurred indoors. A positive blood alcohol concentration was seen in 40% of cases. Of those examined, 81% were contact gunshot wounds. The trajectory was upward in 51% of cases and horizontal in 24% of cases. The right temple was the most common entrance gunshot wound site. Findings are in keeping with previously published literature.
© 2007 Lippincott Williams & Wilkins, Inc.

Lots of stuff in there for you Ralphie but I thought you'd particularly like that upward and horizontal trajectory information because it puts Robin Bain's suicide in a 'healthy' 75% parameter. It kind of makes that nonsense about him praying when he got shot look ridiculous doesn't it Ralphie? If you read up on these things suicidees usually open their clothes for body shots rather than shooting through their clothes and the same goes for hats and beanies and we know old daddy lifted his beanie don't we Ralphie?

Forensic Science International
Volume 147, Supplement , Pages S37-S40, 17 January 2005
.Gunshot fatalities: suicide, homicide or accident?
A series of 48 cases
L. Desinan
AffiliationsCorresponding author. Fax: +39 0432 504649.
, G.M. Mazzolo
published online 02 November 2004.

Abstract Full Text PDFReferences .Abstract
Cases at study comprise 48 gunshot fatalities (33 suicides—29 males and 4 females; 12 homicides—8 males and 4 females; 3 uncertain cases—3 males), examined from 1992 to 2002. The age range of suicides is 22–96 years, mean 58.8 years. In 16 cases the age was upper 65. Scene of death was at home in 27 cases (of which 6 on bed), in a car in 2 cases and in an open place in 4 cases. Uncertain cases happened during hunting. The implements used in suicides were shotgun in 14 cases, rifles in 7, handguns in 11 and a humane veterinary killer in 1. In suicides single entrance wounds were found, apart 1 case with two entrance wounds. A script manifesting suicidal intent was present in 6 cases. Homicides showed both single and multiple entrance wounds: in the cases of multiple entrance wounds, no sign of contact/near contact injuries were seen. In 4 cases, bodies were hidden.

Keywords: Gunshot wounds, Homicide, Suicide, Accidental death

Among other things is the average age of those that commit suicide Ralph, and old Robin fell right within that group as well.

Influence of ballistic and autopsy parameters on the manner of death in case of long firearms fatalities
Geoffroy Lorin de la Grandmaison
AffiliationsDepartment of Forensic Medicine and Pathology, Raymond Poincaré Hospital, AP-HP, 104 Boulevard Raymond Poincaré, 92380 Garches, FranceCorresponding author. Tel.: +33 1 47 10 76 84; fax: +33 1 47 10 76 83.
, Christophe Fermanian
, Michel Durigon
AffiliationsDepartment of Forensic Medicine and Pathology, Raymond Poincaré Hospital, AP-HP, 104 Boulevard Raymond Poincaré, 92380 Garches, France
Received 28 March 2007; received in revised form 12 October 2007; accepted 4 January 2008. published online 18 February 2008.

Abstract Full Text PDFImages References .Abstract
A retrospective study was carried out on 132 fatalities due to gunshot wounds secondary to long firearms. One group of suicide (n=72) and one group of homicide (n=60) were statistically compared regarding age and sex of the victim, number of shots, range of fire, direction of the projectile(s), anatomical distribution of entrance sites, weapon and ammunition types and the nature of eventual associated traumatic lesions. The frequency of suicide was higher when the victim's age increased. Females constituted about 43% of the homicide victims and about 8% of the suicide victims. 51.5% of the homicide victims and about 10% of the suicide victims had sustained more than one gunshot wound. Close range was respectively found in 53.5% of the homicide cases and in all suicide cases. Most of the suicide cases (85% of the cases) showed typical entrance sites. Entrance sites in the limbs and lateral or posterior wall of the chest were only encountered in homicide cases. Associated traumatic lesions were found in about 23% of the homicide cases and in 18% of the suicide cases. In case of suicidal gunshots to the left chest, both upwards and downwards directions, and also both right-to-left and left-to-right directions can occur. From 22 suicide cases showing entrance wound in the mouth, a downwards direction was found in only one. This study underlines the importance but also the limits of the autopsy findings (including direction of the projectile(s) related to the entrance site) for giving an indication of the manner of death (homicide vs. suicide).

Keywords: Firearms, Long guns, Suicide, Homicide

Lot to read there Ralphie but it says that all the close range shots- just like Robins, were suicide and I guess you could expect that because people don't sit passively when they're being murdered, even if they were praying. They would tend to do a runner Ralphie, hit the toe, duck, dive scream out, not be passive and lifting their beanie while a gunman crawled a long the floor to get an upward trajectory shot - to conveniently make the statistics right. A freaked out young man wouldn't do that would he Ralphie, because he wouldn't think of it or even know all these statistics from around the world.

Abstract
A total of 624 consecutive gunshot autopsies from the Institutes of Legal Medicine in Münster and Hamburg was investigated retrospectively. In a subsample of 284 suicides and 293 homicides (n=577), a large variety of features such as firearm, ammunition, number and site of entrance wounds, shooting distance and direction of the internal bullet path were recorded and binary logistic regression analysis performed in the case of bullet paths. Females constituted 26.3% of the homicide victims and 10.6% of the suicides. Short-barrelled firearms outnumbered long arms in homicides by 6:1 and in suicides by 2:1. More than 1 gunshot injury was found in 5.6% of the suicides (maximum 5 gunshots) and in 53.9% of the homicides (maximum 23 gunshots). The suicidal gunshots were fired from contact or near contact range in 89% while this was the case in only 7.5% of the homicides. The typical entrance wound sites in suicides were the temple (36%), mouth (20%), forehead (11%) and left chest (15%) but uncommon entrance wound sites such as the eye, ear, and back of the neck and head were also encountered. In suicidal gunshots to the right temple (n=107), only 6% of the bullet paths were directed downwards and only 4% were directed from back-to-front. In gunshots to the left chest (n=130), bullet paths running right-to-left or parallel occurred frequently in suicides (75%) and infrequently in homicide victims (19%). From 61 suicides who fired the gun inside their mouth, only 1 pointed the gun downwards. Consequently, some bullet path directions cannot be considered indicative of suicide: downwards and back-to-front in gunshots to the temple, left-to-right in gunshots to the left chest and downwards in mouth shots. The isolated autopsy findings can only be indicative of suicide or homicide but the combined analysis of several findings can be associated with a high probability.

Direction, site and the muzzle target distance of bullet in the head and neck at close range as an indication of suicide or homicide

A little bit more there Ralphie to help you deal with the close contact situation that the Crown, and you, tried to play down.


Tasana Suwanjuthaa

aInstitute of Forensic Medicine, Police Department, Bangkok, Thailand


Available online 22 March 2004.

Abstract
Direction, site and muzzle target distance can indicate suicide or homicide. This conclusion can be drawn from autopsies of 57 cases of suicide and 68 cases of homicide by handgun fired at close range to the head and neck together with going to the crimescene in some cases. This study was carried out in Bangkok during the period from January 1983 to January 1986. In order to determine whether it was suicide or homicide, the path of the bullet, the site, the muzzle target distance must be considered. The angle of the bullet would be either elevated (from below upward), horizontal or an angle of depression (from above downward). For suicide, the direction of the bullet should be at an angle of elevation in the majority of cases. The position of the handgun in relation to the head in suicide was most often in tight contact and near contact. For homicide, the direction of the bullet should be horizontal in most cases. The bullet was at close range in the majority of the cases. There are 8 common sites for suicide and homicide and 10 different sites in the case of homicide which are at neck, left cheek, left aural region, lip, left occipital area orbit, chin, left eyebrow, submental and nose.

Keywords: Pathology and biology; Gunshot wound; Manner of death

This paper was presented at The Second Indo-Pacific Congress on Legal Medicine and Forensic Science in Colombo, Sri Lanka, 1986.

I hope you're starting to get the picture now Ralph why David should never have been charged and that's even before getting all that pesky forensic evidence against Robin, the spatter on him, but it was the bloodied and bruised hands that was the real give away in the beginning before forensic reports were established. A man that is passively murdered doesn't have bloodied and battered hands, or no underwear, a full bladder, and forget to put the porridge on.

Ralph Taylor - more of what you hate to hear.....

Well Ralph, you didn't want to know that in less than 9% of suicides by long arms are fingerprints found on the rifle. That was evidence at the Trial and also supplied by parapenter (from memory) some time after the trial. There also happens to a peer-reviewed European study that puts the figure at less than 7% but rather than research that yourself you choose to badger others for their sources while (such as was the case with the blood in the barrel of the rifle Robin Bain shot himself with) providing no evidence or proof of your own claims, absolutely none.

Well, here's something else you don't want to know, but which you should have researched before persecuting David Bain with your lies, from Department of Forensic Medicine, Unirversity of Dundee, Lecture notes copyrighted by Derrick J Pounder in 1993 - before the Bain murders/suicide!

Under main heading: Ballistics
and sub heading: Bullet individual characteristics:

at end of section and para....

'Fingerprints are rarely recovered from firearms but may be obtained from cartridge cases.'

And additionally under the final heading: Gunshot Suicide...

'Suicide handgun wounds occur primarily to the head (80%), the chest (15%) and abdomen (<5%) being less common. Within the head the common sites, in decreasing order of frequency, are temple, mouth, under surface of chin and forehead. An unusual location raises a presumption of homicide.

Suicidal shotgun wounds show the same site preference as handguns. Rifle wounds show a distribution of head 50%, chest 35%, abdomen 15%.'

You might like to point out the later quotes to your fat friend osook who has claimed that Robin, if suiciding would have preferred to shoot himself in the mouth, much like you and osook have shot yourselves in the foot numerous times.

These are things you should have been able to understand if not research before you got on your persecution bandwagon Taylor. These are the type of statistics, that added to the tell-tale forensic evidence against Robin Bain, such as no splatter shielding across the lounge floor or curtain, the blood in the rifle, the spatter on Robin's hands, the spatter on his shoes occluded from being from his own wound, the only person to die that morning with an upward trajectory shot and the only person with battered and bloodied hands, a full bladder and no underwear - all showing why David Bain should never have been charged and most certainly not before the forensics evidence was assessed, rather than (as in some cases) thrown away.

Anyway Taylor I look forward to your proof, and the reason why you've badgered others, of peer reviewed material that denies that fingerprints on suicide weapons are 'rare' or that there are findings greater than 7-9% of fingerprints on suicide firearms. If you're not just a lying hate-messenger you'll have all that at your fingertips won't you Ralphie?

Why do Trade Me publish these pedo's filth....

To Trade Me Support

#32024

How is that Trade Me allow this pedo-apologist liar to continue his attacks on David Bain by saying there was no forensic proof against his father Robin. That is a deliberate lie intended to mislead, it is also defamatory. How is that a hate-site dribbler can continue to post material without any evidence and in contradiction of the findings of a Jury. This is disgusting that TM allow these sick people to continue their hate campaign on TM boards. I'm intending to make this an issue of cross-examination in the near future to determine how TM can approve of, and publish reported 'evidence' that is fabricated by a group intent on protecting the 'good' memory of a dead paedophile.

The lying bro fiddler Ralph Taylor still at it.....

I thought I would provide an update on Jeremy Bamber who is currently serving a "whole of life tarriff" for the murder in August 1985 of all his family (5) .One feature of the case is the manner in which Bamber attempted to implicate his sister ,Sheila Caffill of the murders who at the time was suffering from paranoid schizophernia .But in a similar manner to Robin Bain there was no forensic evidence linking her to the family murders.Bamber ,his legal team and supporters have all but given up on this avenue and now are focussed on a police cover up including a bizzare notion that a" James Bond type" could of being involved.Below a blog by Israel Rank provides a backgound to the case with a thorough review of the evidence and the case against Bamber.It is interesting to note how Jeremy Bamber and his supporters have largely focussed on some alleged inconsistencies and errors in the orginal police investigation
Bamber still protests his innocence but his current appeal has been rejected but has been given 3 months in which to respond to the 89 page decision.

http://crimeheartsandcoronets.blogspot.com/2010/11/jeremy-ba
mber-guilty-as-charged.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/feb/11/jeremy-bamber-loses
-chance-appeal

Edited by jeeves-50 at 11:40 am, Mon 11 Apr

Quotejeeves-50 (3 ) 11:32 am, Mon 11 Apr #32024

To repeat what the lying fiddler says, 'But in a similar manner to Robin Bain there was no forensic evidence linking her to the family murders.'

Of course Ralph, Robin's bloodied and cut hands, someone else's high speed spatter on his shoe, an upward trajectory shot, no shielded area in the spatter from his brain, his dna found inside the rifle, none of that is forensic proof is it Ralphie. Not to you anyway because you're a pedo-apologist bro sicko.

You idiot Taylor, let's see the quote.

"Of course,David Bain's supporters are aware of this,and they are now saying that David might have fainted in those "missing" 20 minutes and that Kaycee the dog might have scratched him in an effort to bring him round." Just like that blood found on David's duvet cover caused it seems by the cat.Aren't things getting surreal with the cult members and their well" reasoned "theories. I believe "Aileen" has been recently posting on "Countersink" but am not sure of her actual blog site.
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jeeves-50 (3 ) 11:37 am, Mon 3 Jan #15048

Everybody, and even you now know, you idiot, that he had no marks on his chest the morning his father murdered the family. The 'strip search' remember, the one you were to gutless to take the bet on.

You insipid old lying piece of crap.

Going to Court with Kenty next month? Got a summons yet?

What sort of mission is Ralph Taylor on.....

goldnkiwi wrote:

MERRY XMAS everyone


Merry Christmas to all here on the Marlabar coast in South India enjoying wonderful time here in South India and the festive season is alive and well here but without the tradition of presents amongst the Christian communities thank goodness but everything else is there

But I doubt very much it is a sentiment shared on that supreme hate blog with all it's abuse and invective habits picked up it seems by certain posters if judging by their more messages.But that should never stop us arising above this,most especially this auspicious time o year

Edited by jeeves-50 at 5:04 pm, Fri 24 Dec

Quotejeeves-50 (3 ) 5:01 pm, Fri 24 Dec #31297
Robin as a Christian missionary would I imagine have felt his faith strongly at this time.

Quotegoldnkiwi (610 ) 7:40 pm, Fri 24 Dec #31298
Bit like Graeme Capill and others of that ilk

Quotenx (625 ) 8:32 pm, Fri 24 Dec #31299

How odd that Taylor is unable to spell the name of a vacation spot that attracts a number of sickos.

Ralph Taylor's melt down continues...

But nx has the hallmarks of being a member of a cult hence the resorting to abuse and vindictiveness once the central tenets of the cults article of fath are challenged .It is all there on that blog of their's with the typical behaviour of a fundamentalist sect about to start a Jihad.

Quotejeeves-50 (3 ) 6:50 pm, Wed 22 Dec #14925

The kiddy fiddler are getting paranoid. Go Ralphie...

Another hangbainer twisted sister....

struggling to hide the strain of being known as a pedo-supporter of dead man who killed his family...

It's not going to get any easier Ralph...or 'disengebous' either. Consider running for cover now, like the less retarded ones from your lot already have. Try a new cliche 'deafening silence' or as you put it 'defending silence' is as old and boring as Stockdale's underpants and you've seen those a few times haven't you Ralphie?

nx wrote:


Once again you cant get your story straight. The juror said RB was not on trial David was.


Yes and furthermore the juror stated they ddi not find RB guilty as the many members of the cult of David Bain tend to think.Any how the said juror was rather disengebous don't you think?Robin's
Character was on very defintely on trial whilst the defense went to all
kinds of lengths to trash his name whilst his son sat in a defending silence.

Edited by jeeves-50 at 10:54 pm, Tue 21 Dec

Quotejeeves-50 (3 ) 10:51 pm, Tue 21 Dec #14896

Oh look, Ralph Taylor, pedo apologist and liar is feeling a bit teary eyed and hurt....

cybernana wrote:

Wrong, I can thank no body else for what, or how, I say something. I am true to myself. At least I haven't called you pitiful, perhaps I should, you don't class it as abuse or you wouldn't have used it, would you?[/quote

Pitiful in my opinion is fair and accurate to posters who have not contributed anything meaningful to the debate of late and who I repeat have picked up some bad habits from their special blog site.

Edited by jeeves-50 at 6:30 pm, Mon 6 Dec

Quotejeeves-50 (3 ) 6:30 pm, Mon 6 Dec #30985

There, there Ralphie, cybernana hasn't called you pitiful - so I will. You, Ralph pedo pal Taylor are pitiful. For years you have spread lies about others in order to humiliate them and lower their reputations in the eyes of the general public. You are a member of identified hate-sites who have deliberately spread misinformation, stalked other nzers and threatened them. You idolise a dead paedophile and have been shown to call anything raised about him from trial evidence as myth, but you are the myth and caught out. If you didn't know the truth you were entitled to an opinion but not to deliberately lie, if you knew the truth and still lied you are nothing more than a mongrel dog, a lying mongrel dog is what you are Taylor. You chose to enter the skirmish defaming and persecuting others, don't complain now arseh...The gloves are off and there is more to come, the evidence and truth you filthy fiddler.

here, kiddie kiddie fiddler..here kiddie kiddie fiddler...

I've got old boss kiddie fiddler Ralph Taylor up a tree, but he won't come down. I'll try dynamite next. I've been waiting for him to come down since Wednesday, I even said I'd give him some of those books he and linzbo share just as a sweetener. I just want to chat with him, maybe see if his head will fit down the rifle barrel so he can see the extensive blood deposits just to help him out. Them maybe run him through the sheep dip and trim his dags with a chainsaw. Come on Ralphie, there's a good kiddie fiddler.

Come out Ralph Taylor you kiddie fiddler....

Isn't incredible but of no surprise really how frank and the cult of David will go to all kind's of lengths to worm and squirm their way out of all kinds of inconvenient facts such as the broken spectacles (of use to David but of know use to Robin-fact) including it seems the possibility he may of worn them broken that weekend.A major concession there namelthhat hat he in fact was wearing them).
Another detail that they conveniently overlook is that Milton Weir must of somehow known that the broken specs were of use to David on the first day of the investigation which of course is utterly balmy and stupid.But that is all the cult have to try and explain the lens planting allegation.

Edited by jeeves-50 at 5:36 pm, Thu 2 Dec

Quotejeeves-50 (3 ) 5:33 pm, Thu 2 Dec #30904

You bloody idiot Weir didn't 'find' the lens on the first day of the inquiry, stop with your lies. You are from the cult of kiddie f...ers. You live in the same city as me, bring out your big mouth and lets see what you've got Taylor you filthy pervert. Have you got the courage of your convictions or are you just a lying, stalking kiddie fiddler hidden away with your filthy secrets. Come out Taylor scumbag and we'll discuss rotten daddy's blood in the barrel, the blood of his family on his shoe and the way you persecute his son you slimy piece of crap let's see if you have just an ounce of guts or if all you can do is spread hate and malice from your coven you gutless dog.