Oh look, fiddler on the roof Lindsay Kennard, thinks

Robin Bain was a female.....

Age Related Changes That Affect Bladder Function

The prostate gland in an infant boy is small but grows large enough by puberty to assist with ejaculation. With growth, the prostate gland provides further support for the pelvic floor and urethral resistance. When a girl reaches puberty, the structures of her pelvic floor mature. Estrogen hormone receptors of the urethra and pelvic floor in women help maintain pelvic floor tone and increase urethral resistance.

In men up to the age of 40, the prostate gland grows slowly and few voiding problems occur. After the age of 40 to 45 and into the seventh, eighth, or even ninth decade, the growth of the prostate gland accelerates. A change in the balance of hormones in aging men alters the prostate gland. With prostate enlargement, the base of the bladder can become distorted, and obstructing tissue can cause increasing urethral resistance. Voiding patterns vary, depending on the severity of the obstruction. Prostatism can occur, a condition marked by symptoms of frequency, urgency, and nocturia. If the obstruction continues, the bladder may not be able to empty and urinary retention can occur.

Childbirth, especially repeated deliveries, can either temporarily or permanently distort or traumatize the pelvic floor and urethral anatomy in women. However, the pelvic ligaments, muscles, and urethra are stretched during pregnancy and become lax with time especially after menopause. After menopause, levels of estrogen in the body decrease, causing the structure of the pelvic floor to atrophy and the urethral mucosa to become thin and friable. Decreasing urethral tone and mucosal coaptation further diminish urethral resistance and significant changes can lead to urinary stress incontinence. In addition, the altered urethral mucosa is more susceptible to infection.

Normal changes associated with aging combined with certain pathophysiologic conditions predisposes women to urinary incontinence. Regardless of the presence or absence of incontinence, the aging genitourinary system is physiologically altered in these ways:

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o Bladder capacity is diminished;
o Quantity of residual urine is increased;
o Bladder contractions become uninhibited (detrusor hyperreflexia overactive bladder);
o Desire to urinate is delayed; and
o Majority of urine production occurs at rest.

References

Newman, DK. The Urinary Incontinence Sourcebook. Lowell House. 1999.

Quotelinz4me (278 ) 11:45 am, Sun 21 Nov #30604

Listen Kennard you pervert idiot. Robin Bain was daddy bain, not mummy bain, and you are daddy kennard who wants to be mummy kennard but mummy kennard (one of them because there have been 3 that all left you) said that you had been a naughty daddy kennard in the same way rotten robin was a naughty daddy bain but was never pregnant.

I know how extremely thick you are, not even able to comprehend that daddy bain may have already been to the toilet that morning but retaining 400mm of urine. Even your information above shows that to be a possibility. But overall fiddler ken, the problem you need to deal with is that upward trajectory shot, the extensive blood inside the barrel and one of the victims dna being found on dear daddy's shoe instead of all this pissing about. Go take a big long swig of that cheap sherry kent sent you, pop a couple of green ones, kiss your dog and then go jump in the lake.

PS. When are you going to post the page number in Joe Karam's book where he called Millie a planter?

It's all out war between dopey sophy and urbydimsim..

They want to supplant the two previous biggest bsers on TM superplonk and nina_concertina how does your garden grow, as the champion bser of all time. Dopey sophy can see the blood in a picture.

I don't know, I have not read that particular part of the transcript of which there is over 3000 pages, have you? if you have tell us what it says, I can tell you there are also pictures of the blood on the machine showing Davids palm print you can see the red color, David certainly had no argument with the evidence of blood all over items in the laundry, which is understandable as he did wash all the blood drenched items that the killer had worn.

Quotesophier8 (1 ) 8:20 am, Wed 17 Nov #30124

But alas the scientist who gave evidence about the partial print had a different story. Scientists these days.

sophier8 wrote:

Mr Lodge said a partial bloody hand print was found on the top of the machine, while blood was also found on the side of the machine, http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&obj
ectid=10563668


as posted before

Detective Jones, the fingerprint expert who originally inspected the washing machine, testified that the palm print was not visible, and could only be seen through the use of a poly light

Quotete-aroha (67 ) 3:47 pm, Thu 18 Nov #30312

There, there dopey did you lose your job in the seven dwarfs and are out of work so thought you would do a bit of hate-siting the side.

But urvypervy is coming up the rear with these ones....

ash204 wrote:

GOT YA URBY SPINS, CUT AND PASTED BEFORE DELETION!
BYE BYE!!


LOL, I don't have access to delete it sorry.

Quoteurbanhymns (130 ) 5:36 pm, Wed 17 Nov #30183

It definitely wasn't he or she that deleted his/her post, it might be another one of the seven dwarfs that's out of work and looking for a job in deletions.

But then this out of pervy's customised clap trap of horse manure, mixed with donkey's dos.

I'm not talking about deleting my posts, there is no question that I deleted those, how could there be.

Quoteurbanhymns (130 ) 9:23 pm, Wed 17 Nov #30279

So is revealed the bsing contest going on. Things have taken a rather asinine turn since retard Rachael's little poems for dead donkeys became a number one request on counterspin, all the little wannabe asses are putting up such a performance but I wish they wouldn't do those things to themselves and the donkeys in the children's sandpit. It's disgusting.

The 2nd generation of hangbainers are as dumb as the first, real dumb asses.

First trial testimony from David[ Were the glasses in your room, the frame and the lens, in your room on Sunday night? [David]No.

Can you account for their presence as found in your room by the Police on the Monday morning? [David] No I cannot account for that.]

Quotesophier8 (1 ) 8:37 am, Wed 17 Nov #30127

Dopey sophy above, sees something no once else can in two consistent statements by David, one - that the frame and lens weren't in his room on the Sunday night, and the consistent - that he could not account to the police for them being 'found' there the next morning. Brilliant dopey, I'm sure it makes some sense to you. Do yourself a favour and go on about Mrs Clarke, the holder the of the family fortune, or Michael Guest, the disbarred lawyer - that might make you feel better.

THEY WERE DB'S GLASSES! WORN BY DAVID! AND OF NO USE WHATSOEVER TO RB.

Quoteurbanhymns (130 ) 11:10 pm, Tue 16 Nov #30113

Urvinherman pops in to help. Except urvinherman doesn't know whose glasses they are.

Stop trying to defame urbanhymns by suggesting he is a liar if he takes you to court for defamation I will back him 100% he is not lieing he speaks with truth on this matter.

Quotesophier8 (1 ) 8:26 am, Wed 17 Nov #30125

Dopey sophy back to help the lying urvinherman. Threatening legal action.


correct me if I'm wrong here, Mr Sanderson was an optometrist, not an expert on injury and its causes or its effects.
Has he had and research peer reviewed and published on the effects to having glasses broken while being worn. If so he opinion might be of some relevance otherwise it is of as much as value as Donald Ducks on the importance of clear speech.

Quotelinz4me (278 ) 10:08 am, Wed 17 Nov #30140

Sensing difficulties, linzbinzo, takes another guzzle and two red ones and brings up Donald Duck.

ts amusing to me because you insist on believing that Robin committed incest when Iit is obvious that Laniet told bs stories, and with her own free will lived with Robin along with her freind Kyle, who said Laniet and Robin had a normal father daughter relationship. You chose to believe in this discredied story in yet ignore the fact that David told his lawyer and Aunty that he was wearing his mothers glasses etc. Just plain stupid Ash.

Quotesophier8 (1 ) 10:40 am, Wed 17 Nov #30145

Forgetting what she's already said, dopey sophy now says that they were Margaret's glasses and confirms that irvinherman is a liar afterall.

Just to change the subject: for a more concise example that the hangbainers are such bsers, they don't know if they're bsing themselves or if it's one of their mates.

They were worn by DB, he was reliant on them. They were found in disrepair with a missing lens found in Stephen’s room. This is the same lens, that his beady little eye would have stared through, looking down the scope at Stephen. Stephen gripped the barrel, only to be shot in the hand, in fending of the gun the scope would have propelled back into David, no doubt dislodging the lens.

Edited by urbanhymns at 11:28 pm, Tue 16 Nov

Quoteurbanhymns (130 ) 11:26 pm, Tue 16 Nov #30118

old erby has got a gunman looking through a scope in small room where they are of no use. It's called dramatic licence by bsing pedo-supporter.

And if you are shooting someone at point blank range you don't sight looking down a scope, ask David.

Quotesophier8 (1 ) 10:46 am, Wed 17 Nov #30148

Just to prove old erby really is a liar dopey sophy confirms it again.

And these idiots fiddlers expect to be taken seriously, because they said so. Oh sure.

Lunch time for the village idiot pedo-supporters, Ralph Taylor, Rachael Dickberrymembery and superthick.

First this from brickhead Stockdale....

The reason I am linking to this photo is because it shows Boyce kneeling with his right knee on the chair.
Now in the transcript I have found this.Page 3392/3
Manlove,referring to a photo.This is the upper surface of the right shoe from Robin Bain.On the front upper there were three distinct blood spots of airborne origin detected,whereas on the remainder of the shoe there were a number of red stains with the appearance of blood which we couldn't prove were blood.
This would be the high impact blood splatter that Karam talked about in the Karam/Laws debate.
Now I would ask this question.In that photo I have linked to the right shoe is tucked under and the front upper is facing the floor.
So how on earth could it have got high impact blood splatter on it?.
But if Robin Bain was sitting on the beanbag,he could have got high impact blood splatter on his right shoe.

Edited by supersleuth at 11:16 am, Thu 11 Nov

Quotesupersleuth (0 ) 11:12 am, Thu 11 Nov #29458

Of course this is the Stockdale who along with Taylor and other clunkheads has denied at length that there was any spatter on dead daddy's right shoe.
Now, and not withstanding the proof has been on here for some days and the Court Record a lot longer, he acknowledges the spatter exists. Good boy lunkhead, you can have a big D in iridiscent paint on your dunce hat now. But of course, because he's so obssessed about denying fiddling, he immediately wanders off track like a true pedo-supporter feeling endangered by discovering the truth about dear daddy diddums. So he makes this scientific breakthrough... Now I would ask this question.In that photo I have linked to the right shoe is tucked under and the front upper is facing the floor.
So how on earth could it have got high impact blood splatter on it?.
But if Robin Bain was sitting on the beanbag,he could have got high impact blood splatter on his right shoe.
Even though the obvious facts are revealed he can't get it, of course daddy couldn't have got blood spatter on his right shoe from his own wound, even if he was sitting on the bean bag or standing. Because, dimtwot Stockdale, he shot himself in the left temple and that's the direction in which the spatter from his wound took. But the problem for dicky Mike and his two girlfriends is that spatter going from left to right and even though the answer is obvious, and a big problem for them and their persecution - protect pedos at all costs programme, the spatter shows that daddy was the killer and the material arrived there came from one of his victims.
Why don't you take your lies and dimwittedness Superstink, Hickleberryass and donkbrains and jump in a lake wearing fully laden diving belts.

Moron of the Week Winner! dopey sophey - known as sophey bum to her mates on the farm

I have to have special feelings for somebody who openly displays their moronishness so innocently, it's kind of cute.

te-aroha wrote:

justice for robin bain
thats the heading of this thread
the truth is however the fact that he will forever be tarnished
with the brush of an incestuous pedophile
end of story no matter the outcome of compensation for David

Just as you will always be tarnished as a person who can't see the wood for the trees, and says despicable things about the dead who cannot defend themselves, you are blind, there is ample evidence Laniet told many different stories, most sensible people understand that she was a girl who lived in a fantasy world and had black babies, white babies, was raped, had abortions, and attempted suicide, none of which can be substantiated, although David did say she never had a baby, take off the blinkers Te and stop attacking the dead who cannot defend themselves.

Quotesophier8 (1 ) 3:14 pm, Tue 9 Nov #29381

After running down Laniet at length dopey sophey remonstrates with te-aroha about running down the dead...'take off the blinkers Te and stop attacking the dead who cannot defend themselves.'

Um, I know you're an expert dopey sophey, right up there with the other pedo - supporters, Stockdale, Taylor and Trev, and I hate to tell you the obvious, Laniet is dead and daddy was the one what done it in more ways than one.

It makes me believe there's a special farm somewhere, a funny farm, where they pop moron and retards out at will to go on special missions and prove how the funny farm has an impeccable record of producing morons and retards equal to any in the world. Next they'll be wanting to export them and they'll lobby Parliament for special export licences to cover retards and morons. Of course they're in for some disappointment and will be very sad that being considered a retarded moron or any such combination isn't considered very highly and people certainly won't want to pay for them or be tasked with changing their diapers and wiping the crap off their chins. Stockdale, Parker and Taylor - Exporters to the World.

Melanie White, (sweet_ad) kiss my ass or even my arse.

The JFRB group is not a persecutory group. It is a group of educated people who disagree with the verdict in the second trial and discuss how such an injustice was able to occur. DB was found guilty at his first trial due to the overwhelming forensic evidence against him, as provided by SS. He was found not guilty in the second trial , not due to proving the evidence wrong, but by using hearsay and lies to denigrate the name of Robin Bain, in order for
emotions rather than evidence to be used to make the decision
It is others, and you know who you are, who have sent threatening emails to people, there are at least 3 blogs that I am aware of that post abusive and rancid material on it about the more active members of the JFRB group. The privacy and personal details of the members of the group as well as f their trade me names have been published in the public arena.
It is you who are stalking and threatening.
KP is a good man. He has integrity and compassion and doesnt resort to the tactics used by the people who profess their disgust, no matter how much you bait him.
Shame on all of you.

Quotesweet_ad (143 ) 8:05 pm, Mon 8 Nov #90

Tell momma Kent Parker to come and fight his own battles, ya bloody moron. What are ya, a wind up doll that talks as well. Buy tickets in a brain lottery, will ya?

Thankyou very much.

Kent Parker: Moron of The Week.

What do you call an idiot who takes a week to work out what happened..

First this from Parker....

October 27 Teleconference
As a result of the teleconference of 27 October, the Parker - Purkiss defence team have been requested to rewrite their Defence yet again, due to supposed breaches of High Court Rules. The Second Amended Defence is due to be submitted mid December and another conference is scheduled for 16 February 2011. On the agenda for that conference is the setting of a trial date. Given that the waiting list in the High Court, which is typically 6 months in most districts, is likely to be most of a year in Auckland, a trial date is not going to happen any time soon.

The more that the Plaintiff draws out the pre-trial proceedings the more expensive it becomes for him. At present, the plaintiff has neither furnished a response to the defence nor an explanation of supposed problems with it.




Then this.....

Defence Statement does not have to be Rewritten
We apologise, the news item of 27 October was incorrect. The defence statement does not have to be rewritten. It is simply that the counsel for the Plaintiff (Joe Karam) has disputed its contents and some pre-trial deliberation has been set in motion which will drag on until both parties finally agree. The Statement of Defence has been accepted by the Court. Any disputes arising from it merely help to hammer it out into a form that can more easily be digested by the trial process undertaken by each party in the dispute.

You call them: Moron of the Week for being a 'genius' who has no idea what's going on.

You deserve it Kent, a fine fully moronic display of an idiot representing themselves...

Moron of the Week - everybody's favourite superplonker Mike Stockdale.

Congratulations Mike, any of the following would have done. But I suppose having so much proficiency at being a Moron you have heaps of moronship to spare which you do so generously without a thought for the sane - a true introverted sign of moronism.

Over on the JFRB thread I have had to repeat that testimony from David Bain's aunt about him mentioning to her that he was wearing his mother's glasses I don't know how many times,some people just don't seem to be able to accept that.

Quotesupersleuth (0 ) 4:30 pm, Wed 27 Oct #167

Here, we see Stockdale at his moronish best, struggling with the most basic of things. Well Mike, David's Aunt (later to be beneficiary of Robin and Margaret's will) claiming that David 'mentioned' to her that he was wearing his mother's glasses is different to the evidence he gave, where he said he hadn't worn them that weekend. Of course most people realise that wearing glasses without lens is of no benefit and those glasses when recovered had no lens at all, and the lens (one, recovered 'after hours' by an officer who was not involved in the manual scene search, was dusty and found under clothes. There was no blood on that first lens or the second despite Stephen's room having a lot of blood spray.) So people are entitled to make up their own minds - just as the Jury did. You say 'some people just don't seem to be able to accept that' seldom do you ever say anything that's true, but here you have. Some people don't accept it for very good reasons, you want them to accept it so as to justify your lies about David and your intention to persecute him. I don't need glasses to see that Mike, the fact that you are unable to grasp things in their wider context (rather than what you want or hope for) shows exactly why you are a Moron. Keep it up.

And here's another humdinger from you Mike, it's called 'where the bullet didn't come from.'

David Bain then leaves the alcove and goes into the lounge.He carries out a safe unloading procedure which would include removing the magazine and pulling the bolt back.If there was a round in the chamber it would be ejected.That is why that bullet is on the floor of the lounge.Simple as.

Quotesupersleuth (0 ) 1:26 pm, Fri 22 Oct #28499


Later, when he has 'discovered' the rifle had a live round in the chamber when found Mike re-explains...

David Bain was hardly likely to eject a live round from the magazine that was in the rifle,was he?I doubt that even his defence team would have been able to explain how a dead man could clear the rifle.

Edited by supersleuth at 9:34 am, Sun 24 Oct

Quotesupersleuth (0 ) 9:23 am, Sun 24 Oct #28543

I'm beginning to learn that a fundamental attribute of a Moron is to never admit a mistake. A person who isn't a Moron would realise that it's better to acknowledge a mistake and move on because if you pretend otherwise, or choose to ignore it - you come across as a Moron - just like Mike. Good work Mike, it's so effortless for you that you must drive the other Moron hangbainers green with envy.

Mike misfed birdbrain Stockdale, bites the dust again...

supersleuth wrote:


The magazine may have been defective,but David Bain still managed to kill four people using it.And he fired at least eight bullets,so he couldn't have had many,if any,misfeeds.



idiot..

Mr Ngamoki said the rifle was in good condition, but it did misfeed and jam once while he was conducting firing tests with it.

This required reloading of the magazine, manually retracting the bolt and shaking the bullet free, or flicking it out with an object.

He confirmed to prosecutor Cameron Mander that a bullet shown to him, from the Bain family home, had the characteristics of having been misfed and jammed.

Bain's defence team has raised the issue of a misfed bullet in the lounge where Robin's body was found, and have put it to witnesses that Robin would not have stayed still if David had misfired the rifle and been forced to reload and fire again.

Bain's lawyer, Helen Cull QC, said there were five misfeeds in the house on the morning of the killings.

Quotete-aroha (67 ) 11:27 am, Mon 25 Oct #28591

But in all seriousness I think it's a bit on the nose for te-aroha to call him an idiot, doesn't te-aroha have any manners. If he did, surely he would show the man some respect and call him a f...en Moron Idiot.

On the subject of misfeeds that could be Mike's biggest problem, his brain is a misfeed, instead of getting a human brain he got a birdbrain. Bloody misfeeds these days, no wonder he eats birdseed and farts all the time.

Speaking of fairies and fiddler lovers, here's another one ...Linsday Kennard..

I am sure that if the experiments had been done correctly the prints would have excluded Robin as the method would have resulted in prints from a person of Robin's build the luminol result would have revealed a print of around 25-26 cm at most and a person of DB build a print of 27-29 cm.

Quotelinz4me (276 ) 10:55 am, Sun 24 Oct #28551

Lindsay Kennard is trying to cover up Robin's footprints as quickly as he'd now like to cover up that he told the world his wife said he was fiddler...

Not only that, he introduces new science, where you don't measure prints you concentrate on the build (if known) of the person who left the print. So by this bewildering logic footprints by measurement are now made redundant in any forensic inquiry and not compared to a suspects foot size, no, it's the build of the person that made them that matters. The fact that a 6 footer might have size nine shoes, and someone five foot eight size twelve, doesn't mean a thing. In Lindsay's world of high alcohol and drug content, with fiddling on the side, Jury's will be shown a footprint and be invited to guess whose it is based on a formula that Kennard will one day work out with help from his psychiatrist.

D..khead, Moron Mike Stockdale is away with the fairies. In fact he is probably a fairy.

Two days ago he said.....


David Bain then leaves the alcove and goes into the lounge.He carries out a safe unloading procedure which would include removing the magazine and pulling the bolt back.If there was a round in the chamber it would be ejected.That is why that bullet is on the floor of the lounge.Simple as.

Quotesupersleuth (0 ) 1:26 pm, Fri 22 Oct #28499



Now he says....


David Bain was hardly likely to eject a live round from the magazine that was in the rifle,was he?I doubt that even his defence team would have been able to explain how a dead man could clear the rifle.

Edited by supersleuth at 9:34 am, Sun 24 Oct

Quotesupersleuth (0 ) 9:23 am, Sun 24 Oct #28543


And I say...You're a f...en idiot Stockdale. You can't remember what you've said from one minute to the next. I bet 'Fiddler on the Roof' is your favourite movie.

'Simple as' by fruitcake, Mike Stockdale.

David Bain then leaves the alcove and goes into the lounge.He carries out a safe unloading procedure which would include removing the magazine and pulling the bolt back.If there was a round in the chamber it would be ejected.That is why that bullet is on the floor of the lounge.Simple as.

Quotesupersleuth (0 ) 1:26 pm, Fri 22 Oct #28499

Simple as according to superdoof, explaining why a live round is on the floor in the lounge. Not so simple is that the rifle when checked by police had a bullet in the chamber and that's why Moron Mike is a Moron. He now thinks the compo claim has been 'withdrawn' I suppose he also thinks mothergoose and victoria purkiss aren't due in court next week. Above he has his 'considerate' supposed murderer making the rifle safe in a way that would have meant that it was impossible for Robin to have suicided, that makes sense if you are a moron. Everyone else of course realises that the live round in the breach automatically occurred as the result of the last round having been fired, because the rifle was semi-auto and self-loaded after the last shot.

Supergoof trying for the Moron's Award, again.

The idiot Stockdale, states his claim that David unloaded the rifle, prints a discription of how it happens....Idiot back benchers Neil Perkiss and Lindsay Kennard have mild orgasms agreeing,

snipPull the cocking handle back[thus pulling the bolt back]and check that the chamber is clear.
If there is still a round in the chamber that will be ejected at stage 3.
Another point.snip

Mike asks the obvious question...and dumbo answers, just like a trained dumbo moron.

mike2109 wrote:

How do you account for the fact that the rifle still had a bullet in the chamber when examined by the Police? Semi autos feed automatically after each shot. The Police had to make the rifle safe at that point.


David Bain needed only one shot to kill his father.

Quotesupersleuth (0 ) 4:58 pm, Fri 22 Oct #28514

Superdoof was having a good day (in his own bewildering mind that is, up till then) playing 'touchies' with Ralph out in the bike shed. First of all they deny daddy's dna in the rifle, then superdoof says it could have arrived there when Robin was shot from a 'close range.' Sorry doof and Ralphie you old pedo supporters, but for reasons that will be too difficult for you to comprehend - the fact is the only way dna found its way, or could have found its way, not only into the silencer but also the barrel was because of hard up contact shot with at least part of the silencer tip against rotten Robin's temple. The Jury understood that, The Crown understood that, that's why there was a not guilty verdict and a decision by The Crown to accept the verdict. It's very simple for ordinary people but Morons would be totally confused by it, just like you were dorkle with your claim that David 'unloaded' the rifle but that a shell remained in the chamber you great 'researcher' you. It's to do with angles and distance and the circumference of a barrel, also as the purported distance between the silencer and the head wound lengthens, or as the angles become more acute, or gravity has effect, it becomes impossible for the dna to be inside the barrel, and unlikely that the dna would find its way more than millimetres inside the silencer. Don't worry you'll never figure it out, stick to the bike sheds. Good effort, could be another joint award coming up.

Moron of the Week Award...retard Racheal.

This is what she said...


totally unrealistic to say that that blood was there after wearing gloves especially how it was shown on the BB documentary, and you would be hard pressed to say that it can have been much different

Quotegoldnkiwi (608 ) 6:54 pm, Tue 19 Oct #28396

What a Moron Rachael has proven to be over a considerable period of time and the foregoing is further proof. Being a Retard and a Moron on subsequent weeks can't be easy but Rachael has measured up to the task superbly. In Moron Rachael's bewildering world wearing gloves, as Robin may have done at some point during his murdering spree, excludes him from having wiped blood on his palms. But Robin Bain did have the wiped blood of his family on his hands when he killed himself something which you've completely moronised yourself with Rachael. Daddy had wiped blood on his hands. That's why daddy done it Rach, and that's why you're the Moron of The Week, congratulations.

The more settled minded will see that the delusion of the gloves is no different than the paper run alibi. Of course Stockdale and similar idiots still claim that David went out of his way to be seen delivering the papers when the fact they were delivered was proof that he had done his paper round and subsequently was out of the house when dear daddy was doing his thing. Similarly, the weak-minded seize on the gloves as significant, just as Rachael has above, when we have no idea when and for how long during his killing spree Robin may have worn them, but we do know Robin had wiped blood on his palms, bruises and cuts on his hands. Like the rifle magazine in the lounge, who really knows if it wasn't placed upright some time during the investigation (only the person who may have done so.) However, upright or on it's side is not evidence against David. But for evidence against the depressed, angry, shut out from the family Robin, we have the upward rising shot into his brain and the downward exhaust of his dna into the rifle.

Anyway, not to detour for what is a special moment for Rachael, congratulations Rach- you are Moron of The Week.

Oh look, a retard agreeing with a moron. So sweet, romantic even.

you would think it would have been difficult indeed if Robin did not rest the silencer against his head when he 'suicided' I can't remember other than thinking how ridiculous it looked, whether the 'court' scenarios were all contact to the head, you are right one would assume that a contact shot would have matched Laniets entry wound

Quotegoldnkiwi (608 ) 11:21 am, Tue 19 Oct #28377

This from the two that agreed that a rifle bore is bigger than the silencer bore. Sweet little lovebirds they be. By my calculation they've got eight teeth between them and between their teeth and the back of their enlarged skulls they've got nothing except one another and a few warts and moles with hairs sticking out of them.

Stockdale going for the Moron award....again.

I would just say that I believe this hard contact wound is the wound that caused the barrel to have blood in it.This was probably the penultimate shot fired,and the final shot to Robin Bain's head did not clear all of Laniet's blood from the barrel.

Edited by supersleuth at 10:19 am, Tue 19 Oct

Quotesupersleuth (0 ) 10:12 am, Tue 19 Oct #28376

'I would say,' 'I believe,' 'This was probably.' 'did not clear.'

The raving lunatic thinks guilt and innocence is decided on speculative guesswork. If he wasn't deliberately harming people with his inane rambling he might even be funny.

Well, one thing there is no speculation about Stockdale, is that you are a stalker, you are also a pedo apologist. You belong to a hate-site whose members are being sued, you are a liar, you have harassed David Bain in a defamatory way for a long time, you are a name dropping idiot that is so stupid you keep the defamatory harassment going even while a Court date pends for your buddies. You are so stupid that you 'commissioned' a drawing that you bring attention to in a further effort to defame David Bain. The only thing your stupid drawing proves is how completely off your rocker you are grandma. You, like your mate luckytrader, are an arsew..e. Good luck with that. Good luck also with showing how dna can remain in a rifle barrel after a high velocity projectile and gas discharge.

Mike Stockdale gets an emergency 'Moron of the Week Award'

Yes Folks, an emergency Moron Award - this idiot deserves it.

cowgirljo wrote:

Can anyone tell me please why gunshot residue tests where never carried out on either robin or david. I find this hard to believe.


Many people find it hard to believe that gunshot residue tests were not taken.But at the time Detective Weir decided that the need to preserve the scene and bodies undisturbed was of prior importance.DSS Doyle concurred.Of course it is easy to be wise in hindsight.And if the same crime scene was to happen today,at least Robin Bain's hands would have been bagged quite promptly.
So far as David Bain was concerned,well it is now known he had washed his hands thoroughly to remove printers ink,and tests for GSR could have proved negative anyway.And David Bain could claim he had touched the rifle,as he had done to explain his fingerprints on it.
Furthermore,even if GSR had been found on Robin Bain's hands ,this would not have excluded the possibility that it could have been transferred from David Bain if he moved Robin's hands to make it look like suicide.

Quotesupersleuth (0 ) 9:32 am, Fri 15 Oct #28267

One Detective decided there was a need to preserve the scene (how novel - I bet that has never happened before or since) and another Detective 'concurred.' Stockdale reckons that GSR only accumulates on the hands - the bloody moron. Furthermore, (to use the idiot's word) 'this would not have excluded the possibility that it could have been transferred from David Bain 'if' he moved Robin's hands to make it look like suicide.' Well moron, the bloody contact wound made it look suicide, in fact along with blood in the barrel and silencer, and an upward trajectory, proved it. But what you proved is what an absolute pedo supporter idiot you are for a number of reasons, not least because that touches to hands, would only transmit, if anything spots of GSR not a full shroud - you absolute stalking Moron, self-confessing d..khead. Such touches (which never occurred) would have left detectable proof as to whether the hands had been moved you dim-witted hero of the damned.

Who is the mournful, spitting tacks 'Blossom.'

Surely poison ivy would have been a better choice for old, caught with her pants down, again, cat-hater, dustproof, Maryanne Newton. Show some restraint Newton, there are no guarantees of who will win the Moron's award, not everyone can be a winner just because they have a long-standing pedigree of being a Moron. Be happy for Annette, and Christine, don't try to steal the limelight on this most auspicious occasion. I know you're a proven stalker as well, thanks for that proof. Chin up, I mean chins up.

Moron of the Week - Joint winners! Christine Williams (misspw) and Annette Curran (golfergold)

Clearly Annette Curran had to be Moron of the Week, her moronship is unprecedented. I've never heard of anyone having a private site, that they make public without apparent intention, and then display to the world that they are criminal stalkers and harassers. Of course there is a very evil side to Annette Curran, in terms of the Bain case, to my knowledge, she was the first stalker of not only opponents but also their families. She has done that on the TM boards and been caught out, now she has done it on her own boards and been caught out worldwide. She has always needed to attack the person and not their argument, a situation that I suppose is neither here nor there - but she goes further and attacks people's families, children in particular. So this week's award is not only a celebration of an outstanding Moron but also the more sinister character of these people who feel entitled to attack people at random, whether they be jurors, witnesses, TM members or indeed sadly their families.

On that somewhat sombre note I had to also include Christine Williams (misspw) because she, like Annette Curran, feels entitled to attack people's families, predict righteous horror for them, brimstone and fire. This person is a true nut, even more so than stupid Annette - because Christine Williams trys to evoke a messenger of peace to support her persecution and stalking. She cares nothing for the Bain family, I doubt she even cares for her own family (assuming she may have one) the only thing she cares about is the hate that consumes her and which her mission is to spread as much as possible, in her belief that others, as she is, should also be afflicted by the beast of her own mind that consumes her from inside and seeps from her every pore.

Sobering? Yes. But they are real people, real and living in this country, messengers of hate willing to enter your life without invitation, to threaten you or your family, go through your possessions, probe details of your life and that of your family by reason that they're 'right and justified.' Being complete morons they have no consciousness that they are not entitled to break the law to snoop and spy, or to know that right is not on their side, that they are in fact alone persecuting and drooling hate.

Moron of the week - who will it be?

Christine Williams,the pedo supporter stalker, who was stalking in public and claims not to have known. The sick twisted religious nut whose mind is trapped in the occult, who thinks persecution is next to Godliness? For spitting the dummy and blaming everyone but herself for being caught - a real moron at work. Even after just catching herself out, immediately stalking others families again - what a sicko.

Mike Stockdale, cross-dressing, pedo apologist. Who think he knows what people are thinking or thought. That believes solving a crime is all guess work. Who claims that David Bain wanted to been seen outside the house 15 to 17 minutes before Robin's death to provide an alibi!

Annette Curran, who began a private message board for the disaffected stalkers and persecutors, then began to stalk the jury in full public view, 'apparently' not knowing that everything she said was being cached at google, that her criminal intentions and harassment were being catalogued as she performed them? Even attempting to stalk Joe Karam's family!

Also mentioned luckytrader for his revelations that David's hands proved his innocence, Vic Perkiss for the revelations about the Jury, Racheal from Otorohanga for playing a silly game with Stockdale, asking inane questions trying to keep the thread going - and proving by her inane questions that she has no idea about the case, never has and never will.

It's going to be a tough choice folks, many potential deserving winners this week including all the morons that were taken in by Annette Curran's 'secure hate-site' and spilt the beans on themselves. Go spinnners!