More proof against Robin.

Well actually not proof against Robin but proof of David's innocence. For some respite in the venom that surrounds aspects of this case, it has to be remembered that Robin never set his son up for murder, it was the police that did that either inadvertently or carelessly, because of  the poor case management of Detective Inspector Peter Robinson and the oversight by Detective Sergeant Doyle at not looking at the fundamental core of this case - the hands of Robin.,

At the moment others are looking into any possible comparisons of the nicks in the white opera gloves and the injuries to Robin's hands, also the stain patterns compared to where Robin had blood wash on his hands. Perhaps for the first time, Robin's hands, as they always should have been, are the focus. The following are two photos taken from the show of the 'super sleuth' Bryan Bruce, which unfortunately reveal why he doesn't get a tin badge or even a plastic one.

Excuse the apparent horridness of these photos and others to do with the case which have been put on this blog. However, in as much as the photos are in the public forum now, they never would have been if Mark Lodge, had not only written down in his note book about the blood smears on Robin's palms, but that Peter Robinson, had scratched his head on receipt of the information realising the significance of that blood, and done what he needed to do anyway, investigate Robin's death in isolation. Remembering that puzzled look that Robinson had on his face during his cross examination at the retrial? He may have been considering, as any investigator in the world worth their salt would have done, that a 'murder' victim, shot by stealth, doesn't have blood smears on their palms. To relieve himself of any further confusion, he may inquired in all detail about injuries to Robin's hands, saving the country millions of dollars and David unbearable horror.

One has to be concerned about Robinson, ultimately he is responsible for the investigation. Did it for example never concern him that in the 2nd photo below, where there is no circle drawn around the body of Robin, that there is no magazine in sight! Then looking at the first photo and the entry wound above Robin's eye (and not in his temple - thanks Lee) why didn't Robinson see the very obvious fact that there was no link (blood trial) from that wound to Robin's right cheek where, in other photos, is seen a trace flow across the cheek. Two things on that, the blood flow from the wound is all upward, giving weight to the argument of the blood nose. Secondly if blood from the wound is going upwards, obviously by gravity, how can there be other blood reversing the laws of gravity be present, when it is not from the same wound.

Nobody should be mistaken for a second that if David Bain was found to have injuries to his hands, it would have been said they were consistent with his having been in a fight with Stephen. Similarly, had he had blood wash on his hands, red material under his nails it would have been claimed as proof of murder. Yet in the Bain case the 'suspect' with both blood on his hands and several injuries to them is 'considered' a victim. Contemplate also that if he'd had what was possibly gunshot residue seen on his thumb that 'just happened' to match the ridges of a magazine used in the killings, or a round impression of the same diameter of the hole in the side of magazine, along with an impression consistent with the base of the magazine as would be made by pushing it home into the rifle. All of these things would have been proof of murder, as would the finding of his fresh blood on a towel in the laundry, or indications of blood having been coming from his nose that morning. All of it, evidence against David, yet because this evidence was found to be connected to Robin in every sense - it means he was a victim. A big logic failure there. Are we to assume the police are so incompetent that they are not only unable to see the wood from the trees, but indeed be unable to even see the trees or the forest. There is something ticking in the Bain case and more evidence will continue to emerge against Robin, to the point that the 'mountain' of evidence once said to show David's guilt will not only have completely disappeared but be revealed to have left a mountain of evidence against the man who took the lives of his wife and children.

Footnote; I shall add a picture of the right side of Robin's face taken in the lounge later.

 

 

All that blood and gunshot residue.

As it happens, the defence team of David Bain, the police and Dr Dempster, the Crown pathologist, are all in agreement about one fact - the blood found on Robin Bain's hands. Detective Lodge recorded it first as is shown in the third video below. I'm unaware of any plausible explanation from Lodge or his commanding officer of the time, now retired Detective Inspector Peter Robinson, as to how from the finding of smeared blood on the hands of a murder suspect who had suicided, an innocent young man could emerge being convicted of his father's crimes. It defies all logic and basic policing, it is the very core of what went rotten in the investigation of the Bain killings.

I vouch for the authenticity of all that it is contained in these videos at their core base, proof of
Robin Bain as the killer of four of his family and of his suicide. I invite any of the Justice for Robin Bain, or Counterspin 'campaigners' to bring a civil action against me that can ultimately deny the key truth revealed in these videos. I also invite Robinson,  Lodge, or the most public of those that campaigned or continue to campaign against David Bain, the 'reporter' from The Press, Martin Van Beynan to sue me over the contents of these videos which I republish at my own will, because what this narrative implies, the subtext, the photos and conclusions is that they were all instrumental in one of the most, if not the most, significant Miscarriages of Justice in New Zealand history. A Miscarriage of Justice which shall echo for decades to come, against not only David, but his mother Margaret, sisters Arawa and Laniet, little brother Stephen, and his dad Robin who lost his way with no one to help him.

Part one  http://youtu.be/ZLhyLVrxnpc

 

Part two  http://youtu.be/9QmUiirPQIg

 

Part three  http://youtu.be/kOqKyyedoW4

No scientific arguments against the thumb magazine marks.

Something of recent consistency about the Bain case has been the 'investigation' into Robin's hands. There are 3 short videos now on the internet showing how much progress has been made which I will link to separately later. Firstly however the main debate has been about the 2 'David Giles' marks discovered in a photo of Robin Bain's thumb that are argued to be gunshot residue, consistent with Robin Bain having loaded the magazine that morning. Of course there is more evidence that has emerged in the last couple of weeks that creates and environment of credibility of accepting the 2 marks as being gsr. Before answering some of the criticism of those marks I urge readers to consider that 'environment of credibility.' In doing so consider what Binnie showed us in his report - the 'stepping back' to look at an overall picture.

The 'environment' surrounding the thumb is to me conclusive of Robin's suicide and David's innocence. Look and see Robin dead on the floor, quite easy because of the number of photos available. Note the blood flow higher in close relationship to his temple, then another low across the jaw and also the blood on Robin's moustache. He had a nose bleed that morning. Consider the reason for that, knowing that he was bleeding before his death and that his blood was found as a heavy saturation on a towel in the laundry, that his hands were smeared with blood (evidence from Detective Lodge and Dr Dempster,) also that a 'red substance' was found under his nail, which, like the smeared blood was never tested. Michael Reed, when cross examining Doyle, put to Doyle that if the blood was shown to have been from Stephen or  Laniet it would have implicated Robin - Doyle agreed. However, I say the blood implicated Robin regardless of it's source - he had blood on his hands that morning that was present before his death.

That environment includes a rifle, a pattern of splatter, a magazine but it also draws us back to the hands, they were battered and bruised as well as being bloody. Now we discover that there were lines most probably gsr on the thumb and the right palm, there were skin impressions likely to have been caused by handling the magazine. In all too much to escape, the Crown agree to the blood and the cuts (despite trying to minimalize them,) many in the country have seen what are said to have been gsr marks on the thumbs. Those are disputed because of size and other arguments, what follows below is identical examples of the lines replicated as a test on another persons hands who use the magazine and they match Robins. The Crown case is lurching to the deep. Remember the environment and the stepping back, blood, cuts, bruises, marks, blood loss from the nose and fresh blood on a laundry towel and on trousers found in Robin's van, think about the upward trajectory shot, the powder burns around the forehead  wound, the spatter on the curtain, going in two directions on the trousers, the uninterrupted splatter across the floor toward the curtain and the height of the spatter on the curtain - all of this is the 'environment' of what I use to call 'the final death scene,' the place where Robin died leaving all the proof in the world of how it was done. Proof, not even considered worth testing by Robinson.

There are a couple of enduring scenes of Robinson, the first was of him walking in Every Street surrounded by his officers, a big confident man in the middle of his 'men.' In time one of those men would be off side with police after accusations that he planted evidence, but consider Robinson. He is the man that accepted that 'evidence' without hesitation - it was he that never questioned how it could have possibly been found in a situation like that in the Thomas case - from a place already searched. It was also he, as ex Detective Weir described to Binnie, who had  a 'stance' on the Bain case. It was he, Robinson, upon whose watch evidence was not tested or destroyed. The man also in charge when Laniet's electronic diary 'disappeared.' The man who never ordered Robin to be investigated when such a situation is a given in all homicide investigations. A lot was hidden under the watch of Peter Robinson bringing me to the point of mentioning the second enduring image, when he was being cross examined he had a perplex almost bewildered look on his face as though the questions put to him by Reed about what the proper course of the inquiry should have been - he came across as somewhat dumb. Of course that was an act, 'dumb' men don't get to become Detective Inspectors, but they may very well play 'dumb' when they need to do so in order to protect themselves, when a point is reached that a decision might be made about their own 'skins' compared to sending a young man to decades of imprisonment and public vilification despite being innocent.

Finally consider Karam, Reed, and Giles. None of them desperate men in anyway. Reed blunt and logical, Karam a thinker with an obstinate determination, Giles a 'looker' and questioner, none of these men have put, or would put their reputations at risk over anything they were not 100% sure. So to the fanciful and hysterical hate-siters, van beynan and the smirking Burgess - here are the lines, that 'might' have been from doing 'handiman' repairs on the roof in the middle of the night, or playing a guitar (how desperate was that one from old van derbum,) and they are conclusively, on the Balance of Probabilities (the 'enivronment' given some detail above,) gunshot residue from Robin preparing to kill himself having first killed four of his family. An argument has always been that he was driven by fear of discovery of being involved in incest, but what if simply he had become a wretched soul confused about his relationship with his own daughter, who was growing out of 'his' control of her, but who had learnt some of the secrets contained in the 'lost; diary of Laniet Bain.

The following from a contributor:

 

The colored lines are exact copies of each other

The left image –Robins thumb

The right image- a photo from the retest

Each photo also contained an image of the magazine, the photographs were resized so that the magazine dimensions were the same in each photograph.

 

 

What the sisters don't want to see....

A clearer image of the magazine showing the curve that matches that on Robin's thumb. Some of the sisters were being naughty and spitting out their false teeth saying a photo linked a couple blogs below wasn't high resolution enough.

Well check this one out 'girls,' this should be right up your alley, in a metaphorical sense of course - just in case you thought you finally got lucky. It's so sad that all those potions and floppy tits (and that just the blokes) have made it seem necessary that old van beynan, the world expert, who sat through nearly every minute of the trial on a potty, will finally apologise for that which he never reported to the public.

What the Minister and Police will need to consider in their next report.

Further Bain evidence that the Police and Minister need to be mindful of when considering the two lines shown on Robin Bain's thumb in a photo taken before his body was removed from the scene.

 

(The following are high resolution photos supplied by the defence to David Giles after his inquiries to them. In the following script (edited in part by me) are the comments by David Giles in reference to the further discoveries he made having high quality photos available to him. The shock to me, is that Giles has made the case of Robin as perpetrator easy to follow and without the until now 'necessary' preponderance of words, legal arguments and accusations and counter accusations. The absolute evidence-solution was always going to be found in the lounge, taken from right under the noses of investigators and defenders alike. This takes nothing from the work of Joe Karam, it advances it however. To my mind David Giles has introduced, or shown how to introduce an 'escape' from having a particular 'position' or defending against one - a thoughtful and inquiring approach not weighed by seeking to endorse or deny a model already set. His work advances the openness of the Privy Council decision to possibilities yet to be established, and the work of Binnie in trimming the fat and it's produced by virtue of a photo that offers each of us, with an open mind, to look into the lounge of Every Street that morning and at the hands of Robin Bain. All of my comment in brackets, the rest being those of David Giles.)

 

 

 

 

 

The ‘not quite’ parallel lines …

The parallel lines of course stick out like… well like a sore thumb. There are going to be forensic reports from both the DB camp & the police on these lines, so I don’t think I need to add anything further, except to clarify something- the lines are not parallel. The magazine is warped, therefore the thumb lines are similarly warped. I’m sure the police forensics report will pick up on this basic fact.

The warping is the main cause of the rifle misfiring thus it certainly made Stephens death particularly gruesome.

 

 

 

Is there more ?….

 

So aside from the almost parallel lines, what else can we see in Robin’s hand? A fair bit as it turns out.

Firstly let’s look at that dark smudge in the meaty part of his palm. Most crime scene investigation manuals will tell you to be on the lookout for dark smudges on the hands of the victim/suicidee. When I showed this to somebody else they wondered if this wasn’t just lividity, but this patch stands out from the other blotchiness on Robin’s hand. It also contains an interesting round white patch and a distinct line. Can you see it? I’ve left a clue in the picture of the magazine if you haven’t quite spotted it yet.

 



Then there is this residual staining on another part of his palm. It looks remarkably like very dilute blood.

Magazine Insertion Marks?

 

No doubt the passionate supporters of Robin will be scoffing at the above smudges and staining. Fair enough, but there is a construction taking part here, with elements supporting one another in  the overall context.

Consider other possible actions associated with handling the magazine. What about inserting the magazine into the firearm itself? Would that leave any marks?

Take a look at these screenshots from the TV3 program.

The first photo show the person’s right hand inserting the magazine into the rifle.

Note Well #1

His thumb appears to be covering the hole in the side of the magazine. Thus perhaps we might expect to see a circular mark on Robin’s thumb that matches the diameter of the hole in the side of the magazine.

 Yes they’re there alright, faint but distinct. See 2 little circles overlapping slightly. According to my measurements  they exactly match the little hole on the side of the magazine, but for any sceptics out there, please fiddle with the pictures yourself: let me know if you think I have screwed this up. Remembering of course the overall picture in which these issues are linked, considering it, if you will, as a circumstantial chain of evidence showing who loaded and fired the rifle that morning.

 

Note Well # 2

 

The person inserting the magazine into the firearm uses the palm of his hand to push up against the bottom of the magazine. It’s highly likely that much of the upward force would be applied through the bottom back corners of the magazine. Thus perhaps we might expect to see some marks in Robin’s palm that match the width of the bottom of the magazine. This dimension is different from the parallel lips at the top of the magazine.

 

So taking another look at Robins palm… 2 marks that exactly match the width of the bottom of the magazine.

 

 

 

Conclusion:

 

The photo contains 3 distinct marks each appears to be associated with a different handling action on the magazine.

1)      The almost-parallel lines on Robin’s thumb appear to exactly match the loading lips of the magazine. If confirmed then it is fair to assume Robin loaded bullets into the magazine.

2)      Two small overlapping circles appear to exactly match the hole diameter on the side of the magazine. If this is confirmed it is reasonable to assume that Robin had his thumb compressed against this hole as he inserted the magazine into the rifle.

3)      A pair of marks in Robins palm appear to exactly match the bottom width of the magazine. If confirmed it is reasonable to assume that  these marks were made by Robin pushing his palm up against the bottom rear corners of the magazine as he inserted it into the rifle.

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In addition to these marks, the photograph shows dark smudging that could be associated with powder residue; there is also staining that appears consistent with residual dilute blood. It is possible that Robin rinsed blood off his hands probably with cold water sometime that morning. (Note here other previously distributed photos which have shown blood wash on Robin's palms, and remember the blood soaked towel in the laundry with Robin's blood on it.) 

The fact that there are 3 distinct marking patterns, each appearing to match different parts of the magazine; each associated with different actions, make it important that the photograph of Robin Bain's hands is fully analysed by forensic experts. 

 

 

(Editor's Final Note: David Giles says 'overwhelmingly certain.' Readers here are invited to consider that the case against David Bain is gone, that it in fact never existed. From a particular point in the future {soon I imagine} all legal proceedings in which David Bain is involved in any way shape or form will be on the basis of his complete innocence, there will no longer be room for arguments of 'not guilty' but not innocent - a travesty is in the process of being destroyed and from which much must be learned.)

 

 





The 'over weight' of evidence against Robin Bain.

Trying to get 'rid of' those marks on Robin's thumb, the Gunshot residue? Interestingly the twisted sisters claim that either the marks are not there or that they would have been wiped off when Robin shot himself, had that been the case. That's cake and eat it too territory, no wonder the dimwits want to talk about anything other than the forensic evidence - they are crapping themselves, rather angrily at that. I expect hating somebody for a long time has become addictive for many of the dear sisters and when considering the options, horrid as it must seem for them of who to hate next, they realise they, themselves, are prime candidates. I can only encourage them to go right on ahead and hate themselves because there is plenty of reasons to beyond those marks, and evidence which keeps being discovered - it's pretty hateful to persecute an innocent man for nearly 2 decades and to attack anyone who doesn't join the lynch squad. It's also hateful to stalk families, interfere with people's lives and that of their children because they won't be 'right thinking' and absorbed by hate-lust.

Check this out, the thumb not in contact with the rifle. Time also to reflect on the difficulty of prints transferring to firearms, the figure being in the 90% range of being negative. Think about a finger print, think about the times fingertips would come into contact with a rifle when using it. There is no doubt Robin Bains fingerprints were on the rifle, among those that couldn't clearly be distinguished and which were destroyed preventing the opportunity to have prints 'excluded' as having come from Robin Bain - the technology for which is available. For everything the police destroyed by way of evidence, the case against Robin Bain remained strong, and still becomes stronger by the day. How do I know his fingerprints were on the rifle, because he loaded the magazine and shot himself, after first killing his family. Robin Bain has found his place in infamy now, along with 'reporters' like Van Beynan, finger print 'experts' like Jones and 'I forgot' evidence hiders like Weir and for a marriage of the wicked throw in Guest and some Appeal Court Judges whose blindness was only overwhelmed by malice and stupidity in respect of the cause they serve - Justice. It never fitted folks, it never fitted, 100s of pages of Judgements full of excuses never helped because the truth escaped. Long live the truth.

More proof of innocence.

The following are not new.

The first, rather ironically, is the photo of the murder-suicide rifle belonging to David, with perhaps the exhibit number, 14, and the name R Bain. Either a mishap or prophetic.

The second, is another of the magazine, showing very clearly, the certainty of the marks on Robin's thumbs having been raised from that surface of the magazine chamber by the 'footprint' or 'reprint' of the misshapen chamber narrower at one end than the other - shown below in reverse. Using all the desperate imagination in the world, marks from guttering, from playing a guitar (the fantasy of Van Beynan I understand, now struggling to legitimise his hate campaign) rendered to nonsense. This leaves the Minister and police with no where to go that can have any credibility, it denounces foot 'measurements' that relied on the measuring of socks, computer turn on times calculated by the use of a fixed point and an unknown, a paperboy delivering papers as an 'alibi' and needing to be 'seen' in case some moron wouldn't believe the papers themselves weren't proof of his having done the paper round, or the lens of broken glasses of no use David Bain being 'found' days after initial searches, of a 'strip search' that needs a different name because it was illegal but which found no injuries on David Bain consistent with a fight with his brother or the slaying of his family. All of this would could now be said to have been Robin, tormented and lost soul, giving the thumbs up to his own guilt. More fittingly it could have perhaps been a forefinger raised to the head of the Dunedin police, Robinson, the man who 'oversaw' the framing of David Cullen Bain, or Jones the fingerprint expert who admitted to lying to the Jury to help them understand the evidence 'clearly' - the man confused about the colours white and black, confused also about how fingerprints miraculously sharpen rather than flatten under pressure. A finger to Doyle also for not investigating the crimes against Laniet Bain, who turned a 'blind eye' to them because he had 'a murder to solve,' one which didn't require all the suspects being eliminated, but rather the chosen one framed. Let's also consider the finger might have been raised to Robin's own family who would see his house burnt down, his son imprisoned on the strength of things that were only remembered 'later' when the Crown case was in trouble and when Robinson just wanted to 'retire' and run. So much told of the truth that was hidden in those two lines. The remains of a railway track that resulted in a train crash because the lines were not parallel, moved by some 'natural' event such as a earthquake, or an 'unnatural' event members of a police force covering for each other, perhaps covering for the 'boss.' A finger for a diary lost, for doors shut firmly closed because of what might be found to destroy a marriage or a career. It may have been Robin that flipped out that morning, but he wasn't the only one.

And so to the third photo, a demonstration taken from the court, showing (as it is now) that Robin's thumb need never have come into contact with another surface or 'rub' before he shot himself and when that photo of the two 'lines' was taken.

And for all of this we need an International Jurist attacked by inferior 'peers' working at the behest of a 'neutral' master, Judicial Reviews to determine what due process, fairness and a Prerogative Power of Mercy is, for a 'neutral' reporter to stalk Karam and Bain, even overseas. That person of course being 'Probably' Van Beynan, assassin of Peter Ellis, Jury stalker and the man who sat through 'almost every minute of the retrial' but who never told the country about the strip search of David Bain which revealed no injuries to his chest, nor about the blood and DNA of Robin Bain vacuumed into the rifle pictured above, with his name upon it. Who pays Van Beynan now?

 

 

 

 

Robin loaded the rifle that was used in his death.

I wonder how the sisters will twist this one. I think the Minister will be wishing she didn't have Mr Fisher's phone number on speed dial.

With today's press release confirming the unsurprising news that Dr Dempster the Crown Pathologist in the Bain case has revealed that there were no marks by way of cuts or scratches on the thumb of Robin Bain which might explain the photograph taken on the morning of the murder suicides there must be much consternation in the camp of the hate-siters. Publicly some of them are trying to disregard the significance of what the police Deputy Commissioner Burgess told the public that they might have been scratches resulting from home 'handyman' repairs is utterly wrong.

When Burgess made that statement, smug at it seemed to be, it was difficult not to think that he was perhaps amused by what he was saying - even testing the waters of public gullibility. Whichever the case those that 'needed' to believe went hook, line, sinker, boat and car trailer for it. There was an awful lot of swallowing happening among Kent's people - well more than usual. Fairly easy prediction that Mr Dempster had thoroughly done his job, a man with years of experience, concerned with recording every detail that might be later used by the Coroner or else where. A man doing his job.

It has always struck a note of discord for some followers of the Bain case as to why Dempster was refused entry to the house for hours while a train load of inexperienced elephants tramped through. I've written before of the dismay of learning that probably the most experienced investigator into homicide or suicide in Dunedin at the time was kept from the scene while others walked through, unmindful of blood or moving things about. In fact during the trial we heard of the magazine in the lounge being moved about, the body moved and so on. How easy was it for two fine marks to be accidentally erased, very easy. How easy was it to in fact miss them, well a whole country did as the photo emerged into the public domain. At least for many years it was missed by experienced investigators, scientists, pathologists and lawyers alike.

Unfortunately, apart from the Compensation Claim by David Bain, and possibly the on going inquiry as to how Royal Prerogative Powers have 'stepped' outside the rules of Natural Justice and Due process, this fact of Dempster not having had the opportunity to 'solve' the murder-suicide before amateurs entered the scene is water under the bridge to all but the hate-siters and heavy investors into David's 'guilt' and persecution. Yet it is of National significance - it was where things went wrong in a case that has dominated interest for years.

I noted in the panicked voices that it was said that the marks on Robin's thumbs were not parallel. That didn't surprise me because of the nature of the human body, skin moving under pressure and so forth. The very reason that the finger print expert Jones gave the most blatantly corrupt evidence of all when he claimed that finger print ridges were heightened under pressure rather than flattened and distorted. But I freely admit that I didn't know there might be a more significant reason for the apparent 'lack' of uniformity between the two lines - or not being parallel as some sisters chortled - that the magazine itself on the surfaces of the loading chamber were not parallel, either because of wear or some accident. In fact distorted to the point of perhaps being responsible for many of the mis-feeds viewers saw on the 3 Degrees Show and of which evidence was found at Every Street.

Here follow two photos (in the following post) that show the two lines on Robin's thumb were unique to his loading a particular magazine - the one he used to load the rifle with which he killed himself. They are as significant as anything else in the Bain case because the lines don't compare with any magazine but the particular one Robin loaded before his death.

Showing why Robin Bain is guilty - more to come..

http://i.imgur.com/PCCJCwI.jpg

In fact the non-parallelism  of the magazine exactly matches the non-parallelism of the marks…..

http://i.imgur.com/rQMUZsJ.jpg

More stuff the hate-siters don't want to know.

 A mixture of things below. None helpful to the daddy didn't do it crew. In fact most unhelpful seen here from the trial transcript..You'll see I've highlighted things that I always thought the basics of this case. The hand blood smears. The no physical injuries to David despite the chorus that he had injuries consistent with having had a fight. The comparison of bloody and injured hands of Robin, to the clean undamaged hands of David.

Also the young detective looking for a motive in the normal fashion (in this case domestic), but Doyle, ostensibly in charge, not bothering to check motives for Robin.

The truth about the beanie, or suicidee's raising or lifting clothes in order to suicide.

The reality that the police model of suicide was deliberating portrayed as hard, although not the defence model on which Dr Dempster agreed.

Also from Robinson, an aspect I have either overlooked in the past or forgotten - the red material under Robin's fingernails. We heard even recently that it was David that had material under his nails, but indeed we see it was the father. We even heard most recently from hate-site panic - Melanie White an absolute lie that Stephen had David's dna under his nail. But as always the truth comes out to haunt the liars.

Doyle on the blood smears from Robin's hands, the ones according to the hate-siters which never existed.

Q [The record states:] “2 smear and slide of traces on blood on left hand.” What is that
actually? Is it a slide or what is it? A It would be a slide with a blood smear in it.
Q Right. Well it wouldn’t be hard to retain that, would it? A Well, with hindsight no.
Q But you see the importance, Mr Doyle? You were an experienced Detective Senior
Sergeant. That skin sample that was kept for 13 or 14 years proved when it was tested
that it did not come from David Bain. You see the significance of it? A Correct.

From Doyle again - for those that claim David was never a suspect.

Q You have told David and others that it was either Robin or David. That was the view
from the police. There was no-one else suspected, was there? A Correct.
Q So it is a contest. Is it Robin or is it David? Correct? A That is the question?

And of course that Doyle ignored not only testing the smears but was unable to connect them to the deaths;

Q Your case has always been that Robin innocently came into the house, knelt in front of
the curtain [for morning prayer] and was shot by David Bain. That’s been your case
hasn’t it? A That’s the Crown case, yes.
Q And that requires that Robin Bain is not involved in any way in these murders. Right?
A Correct.

Detective Superintendent Robinson

Q But fingernail scrapings in a homicide case, where the fingernail scrapings showed a
red substance, might alert a detective mightn’t it to the fact that it ought to be tested for
blood….? A Yes it could.
Q Yes. Well why wasn’t that done? A I don’t know?
Q And then we had blood from the hand of Robin Bain that’s unexplained. Wouldn’t it
have been wise to test that blood to see whose it was? A In hindsight yes.

The above followed on from evidence from Doyle about blood samples from the hands of Robin not being sufficient for diagnosis in NZ. But which could be diagnosed in Australia. The samples from Robin's hands were not taken to Australia although samples from some other of deceased were.

Below in evidence Ambulance Officer Raymond Anderson in attempting to describe his belief that David hadn't fainted - describes finding no physical injuries. Exactly the opposite of what is claimed by the hate-siters.

Q Now, did you check the patient for any visible signs of trauma? A Yes I did a quick
once-over and then good look all around, because of course we weren’t quite sure what
we were being presented with. But I couldn’t find any sign of physical injury or signs that
medical intervention was required.

From police interview with David; the very basic question of hand damage after an episode of violence.

Q Did you have any cuts on your hands on Monday? A No.

Another basice police question: searching for a motive. David was asked..

Q Do you know of any extra-marital relationships? A No, Mum didn’t have any. I don’t
know about Dad. I knew very little about what Dad thought or did.

Compare the above evidence with that of Doyle who was not interested in investigating motives Robin may have had, unlike his junior officer following normal practice.

Q Why was it not appropriate to find out whether there was a strong motive for these five
homicides? How could you possibly say that Mr Doyle? A Our focus was on the
investigation into the killings.
Q Yes, and you have agreed that, in a circumstantial case, it is important to establish
motive? The trial judge said that himself didn’t he, in his summing up? A On the second
day of the inquiry it was still not clear whether it was a homicide per se or homicides per
se or homicide-suicide.

Just showing critical importance of Robin not being shot through his beanie, and the other answer to the giggling hate-siters how suicidees open clothes, or lift hats when killing themselves. No bullet hole through Robin's beanie.

From Dempster.

If Robin Bain inflicted this wound on himself, one would have to say
that it would be unusual for him to be wearing head gear in my experience. It is unusual
for people to [do so]. I have never come across anybody who shot themselves in the head
who was wearing head gear at the time, and I think it is a pretty uncommon event.
Similarly, if they shoot themselves in the chest, normally they seem to bear the skin.

Q But? A there is also the possibility that he could have rested the rifle say on the chair in
from a standing position. The rifle would still be in the same relative position to his head
of course.
Q Yes, if he rests it somewhere else, it will not alleviate your concern about site of entry
at the moment, but it would obviously be easier to hold the gun? A Yes.
Q And what I am suggesting to you, Doctor, is that yesterday, that demonstration of
holding the gun up to your head and your arm waving around, is just really unhelpful as a
demonstration? Because it’s just totally unrealistic that anyone would ever do that,
Doctor? A I cannot say that it didn’t happen that way. I am perfectly happy to accept that
the rifle may have been rested on a point such as a chair, that’s certainly been something
that I have considered in the past and I think discussed at the last trial.
Q Yes. But the point is that you spent a long time yesterday, through your counsel,
holding that gun up with it waving around and showing how difficult it is to reach the trigger. And what I am putting to you is that no-one, rationally, would ever suggest that
Robin would have done that? Its just ridiculous Doctor? A I cannot comment whether it
is ridiculous or not, I think it is a possibility, I would say it still possible, equally difficult
to reach the trigger even if it is rested on an object. It’s at close to the limit of one’s arm
stretch, depending of course on the length of one’s arm, but it is an awkward position.
Q Yes. But that is not what I am putting to you. I am saying to you, if you are giving a
fair demonstration to the jury, why would you give a demonstration that really is just
totally unrealistic? Why would you do that? A Because I was not asked to step down and
show it in other positions.
Q Right, that it is perfectly feasible to have an entry wound to the head matching the
exact direction of travel of the bullet in Robin’s head? Would you disagree with that? A
Well I wouldn’t disagree because if the rifle is applied to the temple in the way it has
been demonstrated in your photographs, the bullet is going to transit the head in that
direction. But, in my experience, it is extremely unusual for suicidally-inflicted gunshot
wounds to transit the brain in that direction. Robin Bain has chosen, if he has killed
himself, an unusual way of applying the rifle to his head.
Q Isn’t it fair to tell the jury that, if Robin Bain was going to commit suicide with that
gun, it is much more likely he would adopt one of the positions, I have shown in those
photographs than it would with your demonstration yesterday? Is that a fair question? A
Well it is. One has to consider what a person in this situation would do and there’s no
certainty that an individual would follow a particular course.

I can predict one thing Ian Binnie will have noted all this and will not have asked Bill Rodie, Parker, White or others for the real story of what they heard from reporters or important people. No wonder it is so obvious that David is innocent.

How the hate-siters work.

See below for Kent Parker (newzeal - another attempt at trying to identify himself as a nzer) introducing a lie about blood. Later, along comes marzuka (call him bazooka - because something blew his brain apart) asking about blood found on a mask in the laundry. So Parker starts the lies and his fellows add to it, in fact in some detail, because bazooka produces a series of computer generated figures of what is proposed to be David Bain wearing a mask and holding a rifle.

Then along comes some idiot like phae from Coromandel, sees the presentation and thinks it's true, when in fact is starts with a lie and gains a 'computer generated' credibility. Made up evidence folks, made up evidence, computer altered photos, and down right lies is all the pedo supporters have.

Toward the end of the following you will find exactly what was found in the laundry, and you will also note that it was Robin's blood found on a towel in the laundry, which later here will give rise to a description of other material withheld by the police that the Privy Council never heard about. If they had I doubt they would have ordered a retrial. Not forgetting that they, the Privy Council, always qualified their decision as being up to the nz authorities to decide whether to try David again or not - a decision that has cost the tax payers millions and which will cost millions more.

upsideout wrote:

Yes there were fingerprints belonging to / identifiable to, Robin Bain at the crime scene.




Where? If there were, were they on any item that was crucial to the crime? David's fingerprints were on the rifle that was the murder weapon and on the washing machine in blood.


Quotenewzeal2 (6 ) 9:33 am, Sun 12 Feb #157

Hi Cybernana,

Does the new book have any pictures of the facemask with blood on it found in the laundry as I'd like to see how well it matches some curious impressions on david's brusied face?


Cheers.
Quotemarzuka (15) 5:49 pm, Sun 12 Feb #230

“Lodge found four items in another cabinet which appeared to have blood on them: a pink cloth; folded up shower curtain; a face mask and swimming togs….

These were found on a shelf in the cupboard behind the cupboard door. There was no blood found on the cupboard. When they were tested by the police, they tested negative for blood. They were all folded up in a cupboard along with other towels and so-on. That old shower curtain was the supposedly bloodied shower curtain, not the one being used in the shower itself. There was no other blood found in the bathroom except blood on a towel which was found to be Robin’s blood and could have got there at any time.


There is no sign of Robin or David having had a shower: the police did not claim that; that has come from the counterspinners.

So we get to Robin's hands. Ralph Taylor in particular identifies with Robin Bain, and has particular sensitivities about the allegation that Robin was a  pedo. Ralp Taylor (Jeeves on TM) denied that David was strip searched and said there was no evidence of Robin's blood being found inside the rifle barrel. Wrong on both counts of course. Taylor also  like to joke about the magazine being found up right on the floor near Robin's hand, completely overlooking that the magazine was moved many times within the examination scene, Taylor ignores facts and I think he's a pervert, just like his idol Robin Bain.

Taylor has demanded proof of the blood on the inside of Robin's hands, well the photo is below. But first of all is the revelation that the police unknown to the pathologists withheld this photo . Instead the police used their own photos that didn't show the blood. Reason being, because there was a towel in the laundry with Robin's blood on it and the obvious, that Robin didn't get blood smears inside his hands after he killed himself, just like he didn't get blood spray occluded as being from his own wound when he died. In short - the forensic proof daddy Bain committed familicide.

First, the revelations of the blood smears.

Well, the police took their own photos at the morgue and used those. They didn’t bother to photograph the blood smears and so-on. But the pathologists take their own photographs too, and the thumb was one of the lab photos. In the retrial, when Dempster produced it, he said “These are prints that I discovered recently that I thought were part of the police record, I had them along with a large number of other photographs that had been copied from the police record into colour transparencies, and it was only very recently that I realised that these were – this was a photograph that had been taken by our mortuary technician using our mortuary camera. I can't understand why we didn’t have a police –“ and at that he got rapidly cut off by the crown counsel!

Note the blood wash below the thumb nail. The reason folks why Deb Coates (kookybelle on TM) is afraid to read the book because it proves she is a liar and a persecutor. She who has a copy of the 'pathologists report.'

Why are they afraid of the truth?

Why do they want to cover up the 'activities' of Robin Bain?

An early commentator on the book has said 'I now know David didn't do it, I now know he couldn't have done it.'