So David Bain finally lands, softly.

I've been noticing a diminishing of the campaign against David Bain, a respite, a sobering as good sense perhaps or tiredness takes hold. Although it may have seemed a time that would never come, the campaign against David Bain is waning. There is little energy left for the 'twisted sisters' to continue, they've done their dash, written millions of words, pulled and stretched the truth of their position until the point came where even they realized their 'truth' was unbelievable, that their shame at being wrong is best faced by slinking into the shadows.

Of all the immovable objects between the Bain 'case' and the truth it's perhaps only 2 that were foremost. 2 that I have mentioned many times but which have no answer despite the millions of dollars spent trying to prove that black is in fact white. A person who is murdered by stealth does not have evidence of being in a fight left on his or her hands, nor blood, nor bruises, cuticle stained red and so it goes on. There always needed to be a complete answer to that from Robinson and Doyle who set in motion the 'case' against David Bain. An innocent, laying down dead person, murdered by surprise, doesn't have the remnants of crime left visible on his or her hands. So also the 2nd unexplained 'event' in the Bain case, a person strip searched by a police Doctor who fills out a prescribed form requiring fine and precise detail does not overlook injuries of either substantial or minor nature, nor scars, nor abnormalities or distinguishing features. If you add these 2 together it's clear why David Bain is innocent of killing his family and why his father Robin is guilty

Relatively recently, in a dying gasp from the hate-sites it has been explained that Robin 'only' had small amounts of blood on the palms of his hands, when he shot himself or by the alternative explanation was murdered. Suddenly the retreat is about the amount of blood where once the declaration was that he had no blood at all on the palms of his hands, and no injuries to his knuckles. To acknowledgement that Robin had blood on his palms means that there is agreement that he had been handling items covered in blood or made physical contact with his deceased family either before, after or during their deaths - though there was never an explanation in the Crown case for that. This is a good time to note that several people have been convicted on murder for having a single speck of dna on them, while in fact Robin had copius blood on his palms that couldn't have arrived there from his shot to the head. Moving on from cries that Robin is dead and not able to defend himself, none of his defenders have been able to explain why Robin, settling into pray as was his 'custom,' had bloodied hands. Or indeed why a 'holy man' would pray with 'small' amounts of blood on his hands or where he could have got them in the house where 4 other people lay dead - his estranged wife and 3 of their children, battered and shot in their beds.

So to the second fail:

The evidence which did exist - Robin's bloodied and bruised hands, were said to have been clean and clear of any evidence which pointed to him having killed his family despite the photos that show otherwise. Conversely a 'scratch' on David Bain's chest not seen when he was examined only hours after the killings by a police Surgeon - and despite not a single word in the Doctor's notes, nor a photograph when things of lesser importance were recorded was 'evidence' against David. Repeating that evidence which existed against Robin was denied by his supporters, meanwhile they argued that evidence which didn't exist against David, time relevant, proved he, and not his father was guilty. Despite that, great choirs, led by Martin Van Beynan for example and others, sang of evidence which didn't exist and ignored evidence which did. That is what a persecutor will do. A persecutor will not be fair, seek balance rather than flat denials, oversights or down right lies. A persecutor will say until they are blue in the face that Robin had no cuts and bruises to his hands nor blood on his palms, and at the same time say that David had scratches on his chest only hours after his family were killed - but there will no evidence of that, absolutely none.

After considering those like Van Beynan who deliberately left out compelling evidence against Robin Bain, but who 'used' non existent evidence  against his son in a campaign against him, then we see why David finally lands softly. Nobody can put blood on hands or take it off during an autopsy. Equally, nobody can leave evidence of being in a fight, scratches to the chest, hands or elsewhere out from a police Doctor's report or from supporting staff and a photographer. Nobody except a persecutor. But as we perhaps begin to see now, persecutors, the mistaken, or the misled cannot forever discharge bile in the face of facts. David Bain at last begins to land softly from terror where only 'small' amounts of blood are ignored and things which don't exist are crowed about.

If the vacuum effect test is applied to the Bain case and all evidence is suddenly disappeared apart from the Pathologist's report and photographs and that of the police Doctor, disallowing all the hyperbole about the funeral arrangements, the glass lens, the washing, the dog and on and on forever - then all that is left is the opportunity for a comparison between the 2 men's hands, the visibility or absence of blood on their hands, the visibility or absence of a scratch on David's chest, blood visible from the area of Robin's nose, marks on his hands consistent with handling a magazine, in short all the evidence of murder against one and none against the other.

The hate-siters still don't get it.

 

I don't read on Trade Me Boards much these days, but after someone wrote me that 'Cookingwithgas' was melting down again I took a look. She sure was angry about something perhaps she was one of those 'upset' that the over 50s site 'Grown Ups' took action over complaints about a Bain thread running there and removed it. Below is some of the conversation with Grown Ups. Before you read on I should report that 'Cookingwithgas's' logic is a flawed as ever - she is beating the drum about David's opera gloves heavily stained with blood being found under Stephens bed, some helpful wag suggested that 'David' was in such a rush he 'forgot' them. Yet the gloves tell their own story and it's not helpful to the sisters. Because the gloves were soaked through with blood, according to CWG, then that provides evidence against Robin rather than David. David had washed his hands but any fisherman knows profuse blood is hard to clean off and of course David as the 'wag' said had to be in a 'rush.' So much of a rush apparently that there were no signs of blood on his hands. Robin however, had also washed his hands, there was evidence of his blood on a towel in the laundry. However, he was unsuccessful removing all the blood on his hands. In fact 'smears' of blood remained on his palms, appearing in photos as 'blood wash.' Of course there was also red material under his nails which was never tested by police in another bad decision on this case.

Those hands (Robin's) told as much about Robin killing his family as any other evidence, more in fact. Not only did they show cuts and bruising, smeared blood on the palms (hard for a deceased person to get smeared blood on their palms unless making contact with blood and smearing before being killed,) but gsr can also be added to that. A bad look for Robin and a bad look for the story old gas is vainly trying to sell.

Hi, Someone has brought to my attention the David Bain thread. Which I have just read. It includes a link to an article previously published in the now defunct Truth Newspaper. This article includes material about myself which wholly inaccurate and which I was in the process of taking legal action over when the paper went bust. This is also an invasion of my privacy and that of my family. Secondly, a poser called Old Kiwi Kid has referred to me various times by name along with allegations that I threatened her. I treat that very seriously and ask you to remove them please. That cannot be sustained are fictional and damaging to myself and family. If they remain on your boards after this notification the responsibility will fall on Grown Up for any liability for them. Before closing I see a poster frai (something or other) making personal comments about Joe Karam in a defamatory manner. I believe that poster to be Christine Williams of Auckland, regardless of that the comments should be removed. Thanking you in anticipation

Hi,

Thanks for your email, I will look into this. Could you please provide me with direction as to where the member "Old Kiwi Kid" referred to you?

I will review the thread in question and take action as required.

Kind regards,

 

Hi.

 

Thanks for getting back. I was sent the information Thursday night. Have just read it more fully to discover that the link was placed both by ‘old kiw’ and ‘frai.’ It was also referred to by ‘corker.’

 

As follows '#558 Corker. Old Kiwi, #523 and #551. Frai #525,#529.#533. All 3 refer to threats as well.

 

I won’t bother you with the sordid details but there were complaints made by some of the JFRB group to the police. In the above ‘Old Kiwi’ claims to have been one of those threatened. No complaints were upheld. There is on going legal recourse being sought over that issue and others resulting from some members of the group threatening myself and family which I have taken to Court. On the issue of where those threats took place is still being resolved by way of civil procedures against Trade Me.

 

I was responsible for complaining to Trade Me about the use of the boards by some members of JFRB which culminated in on line defamatory attacks by some members of that group and civil proceedings by Joe Karam which were settled in his favour last year. Some of those involved in other areas against Joe Karam are named in proceeding due before the Auckland High Court for trial later this year.

 

I note a poster ‘sunsa’ referring to David Bain as a liar repeatedly. He, the poster, was foremost one of those responsible for the STT being sued in 2010 for his attacks on Karam. That matter has also now been settled. It is going beyond being reasonable for anonymous posters attacking Karam, Bain or those they think support them on line as they are not strictly the ‘publisher’ and therefore not directly responsible. This has also been a problem on Kiwi Blog where David Farrar has made directions about what can and can’t be said about Karam in particular. I hope that ‘Grown Ups’ will do the same, also with extension to David Bain. It would be very hard to sustain an argument that he is either guilty or a liar as you are probably aware.

 

As this point I simply would like the material about myself removed and some censure of those posted or referred to it. In the broader picture the ‘Kiwi Blog’ warning as Farrar used, would, I think, be a good guide line for those that may wish to discuss the case on line.

 

I’ve brought my own situation to the attention of the Privacy Commissioner, in particular how the members of JFRB went onto use the Sensible Sentencing site to publish details of where I live and other ‘revelations’ about my past which are inaccurate and design to humiliate me and have effect on my family to somehow ‘punish’ me. You will be aware that Privacy Commissioner has taken a similar case to Court this year involving Sensible Sentencing.

 

This letter has become more extensive than intended but it is certainly in Grown Ups interests not be left carrying the can, so to speak, for what others publish on this matter in particular. To be seen to have ‘done something,’ issuing a reminder and taking further steps if necessary I am confident would secure Grown Ups ability to continue on in with it’s general intentions and not as a vehicle of cyber harassment by a relatively small group of people willing to break the law.

 

Cheers

 

 

PS You may wish to be mindful of another ‘new’ poster msspw, also a member of JFRB who it looks like has joined Grown Ups in the last couple of days, someone at the ‘centre’ of the Trade Me proceedings.

 Hi

We've made a decision to remove the discussion altogether. I have closed the thread now and it will be removed from the site tomorrow morning.

Kind regards

Cheers . Thank you. Just rereading my letter of even date I see that I referred to ‘sunsa’ which should in fact have been the poster ‘stoc.’

 

Thanks for your quick response.