Friday, October 19, 2012

Police top brass working against themselves?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10841490

The foregoing was published today describing lack of police progress in dealing with culture change toward correcting sexual inappropriateness within the force and a perceived scepticism by police dealing with complaints from the public of sex crimes.

Earlier this week there was a poll which indicated that their was public dissatisfaction with the level of trust held in the police generally and the way the police acted aggressively and over the top in some circumstances. That poll was attacked by a Deputy Commissioner and a number of allegations made against it which apparently lack any support or factual basis according to the organisation that ran the poll. In recent days there was a second a poll run on Yahoo that showed those that either don't trust the police, or weren't sure if they did or not, were in the majority compared to those that trusted the police.

Interspersed with this we had bizarre claims from the President of the Police Association that if police funding wasn't increased then gang members would infiltrate the police and a claim that there had already been efforts to do so.

The link above shows that progress has been slow in remedying a culture change. The fact that the above report is officially sanctioned may be why to this point that report has not been directly attacked, although a regular fall back positioin has been placed with the claim that progress has been made this year and a promise that police are getting on top of the situation. So three different situations where there is criticism, two are attacked by police top brass and the third is fudged.

The first poll mentioned released this week was attended by conclusions that the public wanted to see an independent authority investigating complaints against police, this drew the most criticism from police hierarchy. Rank and file members of the police don't get to speak publicly, the police hierarchy does and so also the Police Association. To be fair even politicians within the Government were highly sceptical about O Connor's, from the Police Association, claims of gang attempts at infiltration of the police force. So I think it is fair to say that police are represented by a hierarchy that is self-protective and an association that stretches reality. From an outsider's point of view those representations could be argued to deliver the reason why there is a loss of public confidence in the Police, one refuses to consider all evil within and the other seeks to create scenarios of all evil unless police funding is increased.

When the current Commissioner came into the job it was attended by the fact that he would be objective because of experiences working overseas, that he was in fact not 'culture bound', was a good manager and so on. A situation far from what we see represented today. The frustrating thing for many nzers, as the polls show, is that the police retain themselves from public opinion and expectation that the police, like any organisation, should not be responsible only to it's self. Some clues are thick on the ground that the police 'culture' that has been criticised is in fact a narrow culture of resistance at the top of police. If police management can't be attuned to modern standards of accountability, unwilling to be confident they're running a ship that is, or can be open to external scrutiny, then that is where the problem lies, not with the rank and file.

The introduction of women into the NZ Police has been significant benefit, but too soon we have seen resistance from, yet again, police administration for women finding their own way forward in the police, this is another symptom of what is wrong, not with police generally, but with police administration and public relations. The easiest way on the surface now is to no longer tolerate a police administration that resists open public accountability and instead adopts polices of 'retraining'  and other clichés to iron out problems. We saw most recently a senior police officer give evidence in an extradition case that for all appearances demonstrated to the NZ  citizens that police officer's evidence was at odds with the truth. Soon after the Commissioner spoke about his confidence in the officer concerned, not so subtly telling the public that he was the boss and what he said went - this from a public servant, no inclination toward accountability but speaking out with an authority buried deep in a closed culture.

But why does any organisation want to remain a closed shop and above the law despite public concerns that problems, conflicts, or even alleged law breaking are not dealt with in a transparent way? Why does the police brass not understand that the public have a right to know that police are liable for their actions like every other member of society. Why do police want to continue to operate under some feudal system of lords and serfs - probably because they can. Probably because they've ridden the edge of accountability so often that they simply adopt the old tried and true positions that allow them to remain responsible to themselves with only a semi-independent watch dog that has restricted powers. A watchdog which we have already seen takes an inordinate amount of time to complete findings and make recommendations which are most often answered by police with the claim that the changes have already taken place.

Clouding all of this, and added to the public unease, is that the 40 year old Crewe case is not resolved, Scott Watson remains in prison despite the evidence of scientists of hairs turning up on a blanket between critical 'searches,' Teina Pora in prison for another man's crime and a list of others that continues on. All in fact linked to a 'blind' police administration that might change personnel but never it's spots. This odd, and damaging holding of power and secrecy as if by a handed down parchment of some secret oath to self protect, while rank and file police day by day go admirably about their work often unappreciated because of a insular management inherited from one generation to another that conflicts with public perception of what modern police practices should be.

How about the appointment of an independent civil servant at the top of the police, somebody from outside the ranks to bring along the belated culture change and oversee the formation of an independent body with full powers to investigate complaints from the public about police misconduct. A manager without a recent police history of employment within New Zealand, an ex Judicial officer, high ranking civil servant or someone from the armed services with no axe to grind for or against the NZ Police - there would be nothing to lose from such an appointment but everything to gain not just for the public, but for the rank and file police working at the front far away from the ivory towers and hidden parchments.

8 comments:

  1. How about the appointment of an independent civil servant at the top of the police, somebody from outside the ranks to bring along the belated culture change and oversee the formation of an independent body with full powers to investigate complaints from the public about police misconduct. A manager without a recent police history of employment within New Zealand, an ex Judicial officer, high ranking civil servant or someone from the armed services with no axe to grind for or against the NZ Police - there would be nothing to lose from such an appointment...................

    In the search for a new commissioner to replace the retarded Mr Broad we came closer than people realise to actually having an "independent civil servant at the top of the police".

    I think the problem is people don't factor into their thinking every cop in a command position was once a recruit. They have been through the training process or brainwashing exercise, spent many years gravitating towards to top of police conforming to the standards of those already in command. Once at the top you simply have a replication what already existed. Police trainers were once recruits and having been through the brainwashing exercise and after many years conforming to the standards existing during their progress to the top have also become institutionalised. Police recruiters are of the same ilk and as a result are biased towards ensuring a particular type of individual is recruited into police. Changing the commissioner periodically with a career cop is not going to bring change. Of the list of candidates available Howard Broad was not high on the list as far as a suitable commissioner was concerned he only got the job because he was prepared to jump through Helen Clarks hoops at the time.

    We were told that Marshall was going to the man to bring change but that is not going to happen simply because he was once a recruit brainwashed over many years to protect police at all cost.

    You are right we need a commissioner who is not a career cop and he needs to boot out the institutionalised.

    To change the culture you would have to kill off the virus.

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    1. The idea of rolling over Police Commissioners one after the other isn't working. I can see why the Armed Services should appoint from within, but that is far from clear in the case of police.
      Why not opening it up to all comers with appropriate experience of management? Rather than only picking from those that have come through the ranks. Let the best man/woman and best potential culture reformer have the job under contract and on a specific basis. It seems to me that the day the appointed head of the police calls for independent reviews on aged cases, and has statute that allows himself, any member of the police or public to go to a separate agency that has full powers to take complaints that are independently investigated and prosecuted as the case may require - then from the top down the belated culture change will result.
      The police themselves take advice on the law, there would be no problem for any police head to do that from within his own department or from outside. I'm not suggesting exclusively the Crown though because they along with police bring prosecutions and are therefore not entirely separate toward purpose.
      Really it will take political will do it, and if it happens then the biggest shift will have taken place with no disruption or concern to the public who will in fact have what they desire, independent investigation of police. Some older cases of public concern could be more carefully scrutinised. I wouldn't be against an amnesty that perhaps prevented prosecutions of police in the pre-independence era, but however still allowing belated investigations with the right of civil remedy.
      This is not to not recognise the progress that has already been made by police themselves in being intolerant to law breaking by their own, but to enhance that in a way the public clearly want.

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  2. It is my understanding that Collins the then minister of police or her office did approach at least one individual outside of police and asked if that person(s) would be interested in applying for the commissioners job.


    Have you or any of your readers to your knowledge ever considered that Trademe or Fairfax Media was used by the New Zealand police or was in collusion with the New Zealand police and allowed the Kent Parker cult to slander and malign with their false accusations of guilt against David Bain and Joe Karam.

    I am sure that there has been a some sort of collusion because now that David Bain has been found innocent of the crimes he was alleged to have committed and that Parker and his cult have been hung out to dry by Trademe or Fairfax as scape goats a former police officer (it is only the courageous and outspoken that ever cut ties with the institution see police for what they truly are) was hired by Trademe in an influential position prior to the new unsuccessful trial at Christchurch then left Trademe afterwards. I believe their mission was to cement in the minds of the public the police stand that David Bain was guilty using the likes of Parker and co.



    Trademe allowed Parker's cult to make fools of themselves.

    I would very interest to hear what others think about this possibility.


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    1. From my own experience Trade Me were incompetent or pretending to be when moderating the comments on the Bain case. They had legal counsel who I engaged with that were either acting naively, were out of their depth or who were simply turning a blind eye to what was going on. It wasn't just the defamation,but they were allowing people to post outrageous and untrue 'facts' about the case while the trial was going on, this even included quite ridiculous suggestions of confessions and other such matters that should never have been published. I find it out to accept all those things could have been accidental, as I also find it hard to accept that message board with a legal department would not know that what was being published was at the least in Contempt of the Court.
      I don't know if there was a single person behind it or a group. However, information came from both Fairfax, Van Beynan in particular and also out of the Otago University that was absolutely misleading and biased against David.

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  3. You will remember 'nina s' the 's' stood for scumbag. That individual was adamant that David Bain was guilty as sin. However if you looked at her posts recorded on 'Votemenot' she from the outset of her postings was supremely confident that David Bain was innocent.

    I forget precisely what changed her mind but do remember the reason could not have been more pathetic. She had read the rantings of the likes of Stockdale (Supersleuth) and others and it was there warped twisted views that were behind her change of heart.

    I cut and pasted her comments from Votemenot to remind her of her original stance and was banned from Trademe as a result.

    What I believe the police and Fairfax were up to worked on at least one nutbar.

    Have you ever come across this site.

    http://mediawhores.co.nz/index.php/the-lies/2113-still-no-identity-on-the-q20-year-oldq-girl-who-qfellq-from-internal-affairs-building-police-govt-cover-up

    There is I believe a link here between police and Fairfax and Trademe.


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    1. Nina S certainly was a plant of some sort. She happened along wanting 'to learn' about the case but soon betrayed herself with 'facts' that showed otherwise. She claimed to have been 'out of the country' in Australia.
      She arrived in about March, April 2009 and worked in tandem with others. On one occasion she denied being associated with the hate-sites but eventually the leaks showed otherwise. She along with Glenda O Brien was a serial complainer, but there complaints were mostly on the basis of what I and others said about the dead Robin Bain. The fact is the dead can't be defamed, he was a suspect and there is good reason to consider that he was molesting his daughters, the hate-siters didn't like that even though it was evidence and complained about it with a fury. It seemed fairly obvious that nina s and others were on the payroll in some fashion and there was also later to be revealed from the leaks that many members of the hate-sites were also members of the Sensible Sentencing Trust.
      I haven't read that link but will do so at some point.

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  4. Sorry I didn't finish my last post.

    It is interesting that the item regarding the woman falling from the IA building does not appear to be mentioned on the Dompost site it was reported on Fairfax's main site Stuff.

    It should be remembered that it was the Dompost that exposed Clint Rickards offending and it looks like the cops have not forgiven the Dom for that. Any other mention of this incident is related to APNZ.

    Could this be Fairfax and the Police controlling what is available to the public?

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    1. Thanks for these comments and others which you have sent. Because there are a number of issues continuing along in this vein concerning myself I am obviously concerned with resolving those first. I have no proof that Trade Me have been anything other than slack and misguided at times, I also don't think they've expressed a proper appreciation of what resulted from them allowing, despite warnings, the continued behaviour of the hate-siters or those encouraging them. Off my own bat that is something that must be finalised in some form in a way that recognises that for all purposes if the behaviour of some their users, wasn't in fact assisted by TM, then it remains that they facilitated it by not acting prudently and according to their own rules for a considerable period.
      Without proof I can simply say that there were opportunities to exploit the TM message boards illegally and that happened, often to belated responses by TM legal staff - all in itself bad enough.
      As to the harassment of a third party to which some of your correspondence refers, if after careful consideration it is felt that would be sustained under the Act(Harassment Act 1987) I would encourage that person to seriously consider an application but heeding my advice, little that it may be worth, to make that the single issue and not overlap it with a landscape of dealings with the alleged perpetrator.
      From what you have sent me there seem to be a number of issues, some of which ought to be addressed elsewhere, or put aside as 'preliminary engagement.' However, becoming familiar with the Act, understanding it's purpose and how it applies will soon reveal if it is of possible assistance. If it is, it could be the basis of a way forward if an order is achieved, because of the intent and a general acceptance that harassment isn't lawful, and not a lawful basis on which to conduct matters.

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