It's fair to say that JFRB and Counterspin don't have a glorious record of success. In fact it's probably correct to say they don't have a record of success at all. Others may be aware that members of both sites claim to have spoken to various personnel involved in the Bain murder inquiries from which they put their own 'slant' on what they were 'told' or claim to be told in order to 'resurrect' their credibility on various issues.
The biggest perhaps of those issues was the claim that David Bain was never strip searched, If that were true it would follow that he may have had the scratches to his chest on the morning of the murders, significant evidence against him. From there things needed to be stretched because there is evidence given at both trials of a strip search and an exhibit remains of the form filled out in conjunction with that strip search that records there were no scratches on David's chest during that examination. That would be the finish of it for most people. A record of evidence of a search, and a record which included a diagram in which any relevant injuries would have been recorded to confirm the notes of the Doctor who conducted and recorded the search by diagram and notes, and who took invasive swabs for testing.
Of course hate-siters are not 'most people.' So years ago there was firstly a denial of any strip search and I'm confident that the foremost 'expert' and Court reporter Martin Van Beynan never revealed the strip search in all his writing on the case. Thus allowing him to make purchase of the 'scratches' in his obvious campaign against David Bain. Others will remember the links between the hate-sites and Van Beynan most notably because of the writings and claims of the hate-siters themselves. It appears to have been 'necessary' and 'critical' to mislead the public about the strip search in order to continue the hate-campaign against David Bain. Van Beynan sure played his part.
As information became more freely available that a strip search had taken place the hate-sites 'voiced' their interpretations of what a 'strip search' is despite it's obvious name, suggested also that the Doctor didn't do the strip search despite his own evidence and the various exhibits related to the search, then finally in a type of 'concession' one of the dear sisters revealed that he had spoken to police after which making various claims that the police said there was no search conducted, and or alternatively that David was searched 'wearing' a blanket in some bizarre dance of the 7 veils in which he 'managed' to prevent the Doctor 'seeing' those scratches, vaudeville or just plain insanity? All of this of course the bird brains expected others would believe. There were even revelations about who was spoken to within the police and what they said.
Some redoubtable soul however decided to contact the police and Justice Ministry themselves and was finally given all the known correspondence between the sister and the Government agencies. I had the opportunity to read that information and see revealed a petulant comment by the sister that he was upset that the Minister hadn't sent him the Binnie report for his review because he considered himself an expert on the case. Yes folks the demented dimwits expected to 'review' the Binnie report before it was released.
Additionally, there were communications from the police essentially telling the nutter to stop bothering police by phone, also to use normal procedures commensurate with the Official Information Act. However, and most significantly, there was no denial of the strip search, just some ambiguous language of what a 'strip' search might mean to various people but no denial of the evidence given by the Doctor, or associated various exhibits involved, the swabs, the body chart and so on.
Most people would leave it there, sprung. But not the JFRB, CS nutters. They needed to find out who had the information, applied for it and gloated on line about what they expected to be able to reveal about the identity of the recipient of the OIA material. In other words reverting to the old tiger spots of 'stalking' and beside themselves with the thought that they might discover who the correspondent was and begin to harass them. Of course the Minister's office was going to have none that, accepting the recipients position that they would be concerned that anyone from the hate-sites had their details based on a long history of stalking and threats by members against those that 'rejected' that the hate-siters were right and that the Privy Council, a Jury and Binnie were wrong.
So the pattern of the hate-sites continues, twist or omit the truth, personalise the 'opposition' by finding out as much about them as possible in order to take 'action' against them, their families and friends. All of this working on 2 fronts, one from the pen of van beynan, the other bile and hate from the twisted sisters, yet still the truth wins.
Any chance that the gutless weasle will brag that he couldn't get the information about the person he wanted to harass? No he won't. He will continue to say he has the name, if he hasn't read here, and that he will release it in due course. Once a liar always a liar.
ReplyDeleteYes, a total liar. I can imagine a book will be written about this person over time because every last one of his lies on the internet have been recorded - either that he may find himself the subject of a law suit.
DeleteI don't know how even JFRB members can take this fruitcake seriously, although I wonder if they IQ you as a prerequisite of joining. This nutcase is badly in need of a doctors referral to the Mason Clinic, the 'evidence' he posts a complete joke, hard to see how anyone no matter what side of the fence you sit on would believe his ludicrous claims
ReplyDeleteThey don't care Rowan. They never remonstrate when members lie, they never caution them when the stalk and threaten people and their children. They willingly 'accept' the false 'confession' written by Melanie White. The claims by Sue Coates, the Remuera housewife who 'has' a copy of a autopsy 'report' that shows Laniet was 'never pregnant', or Denise Cameron who claims to have 'photos' of the scratches on David chests taken in the police station, the stalkers who threaten families and children: Christine Williams an Auckland school teacher, Glenda O Brien a toilet cleaner from Dunedin and their 'handler' Annette Curran who has since changed her name. Of course not to forget the slimy pedo supporter, Jeeves (Ralph Taylor) on Trade Me. All tied up together and associated with the poison pen of 'Probably' Van Beynan to spread the hate.
DeleteYes they are real scumbags, just looking forward to Karam vs Parker when the fool gets done for all he has, then it will be funny. Despite trying to influence public opinion and make things difficult for David they can pay end up paying big time in damages to David and Joe
DeleteIt's going to be a difficult trial. I expect the Judge will have a job on his hands trying to keep Parker on track. The demented sod doesn't even know who the parties are. I expect it could be over quickly, even seeing Parker held in contempt. The Judge won't allow it to be a platform for a madman, nor allow him to wonder into googaa land. He literally doesn't have a defence, doesn't have a lawyer and as most people know doesn't have a glue. On the basis of pure nastiness it should be Aunt Fanny in the dock with the sicko Auckland school teacher.
DeleteOne Spin poster 'wonders' if Robin's finger and thumb marks could have been 'planted'. The surprise is that 2 months were needed for one of them to imagine that 'wonder'. The poster obviously sees marks, and not cuts, on Robin's photographed finger and thumb.
DeleteYes, they were planted, of course by their own argument they also don't exist. So we have non existent gsr that was planted and then 'unplanted' by someone. The heat is on.
ReplyDeleteThe CS group is unable to reach a consensus on what they should believe. It is obvious in their recent attempts on TM and KB that they are struggling to fit the latest information into their previous stance.
DeleteA couple of years ago they were united on the facts as they saw them, and presented the same arguments, now they are all over the place, desperately trying to make it all fit together, when it doesn't. Their attempts reek of desperation.
What little discipline that had with all sticking with similar arguments has gone out the window recently. They're being more emotive as well, apart from Jeeves and gasbags on TM most are not nasty, some bewilderment and distress I think. The nasty supporters are not representative of those that held genuine beliefs, some of who are now not feeling comfortable about those beliefs any more.
DeleteAn interesting exchange from CS members who believe their correspondence with Government Officials should be private. Another example of how little this group understands legislation in this country and how their own sense of importance has allowed them to believe they have entitlements that other individuals do not have simply because they have formed a group.
ReplyDeleteTheir campaign is headed in one direction, along with the reputations of their members.
Exactly. The person who applied for the information then released his own interpretation of what was enclosed in the various documents claimed that the disclosure of the same information to another applicant under the OIA was 'wrong' because his was a 'private' email. He went onto claim, and how stupid is this, that the request was for information on how much Binnie was paid. All good, except that information was already in the Public domain - so the lying, always the lying - really a further revelation of everything that underpins JFRB and CS lies, and more lies. I may yet be able to publish the information in full to show how the applicant used them to deliberately lie about the strip search.
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