Wednesday, November 21, 2012

Who was it again......?

Just trying to remember the reporter who sat through 'just about' every minute of the Bain trial, noting an 'alleged' injustice but kept his mouth shut. He was the self-professed 'expert' on the Bain trial, the man who reported to the nation daily but 'forgot' to report significant and important evidence of proof of David's evidence.

He was the same dude that got a warning (lucky boy wasn't charged - maybe someone in his family interceded on his behalf, or perhaps he was just a favourite of the police, having spent years omitting facts about the Bain case and perpetuating myths) to stay away from Bain Jurors after the trial because a member of the Jury, complained that he was has harassing them.

He was an award winning journalist because of a piece he wrote regarding the Bain trial where he made accusations against the Jury - yes that's right, he never brought it to the Court's attention - obviously because most of it was probably dreamed up, and at least clearly not substantial enough to notify the Court Registrar or Judge. He also had bouts of amnesia and never told the NZ public that his idol, Robin Bain, accused fiddler, died with blood smears on his hands, and with his blood sucked inside the rifle barrel of the weapon he had dispatched himself with. He also forgot to report that David had no injuries the morning of the killings but the father had not only injuries, but blood on his palms that arrived there before his death. I guess the person was hoping for some significant adulation from those that had leaked him information, that he in turn 'leaked' onto the hate-sites in order that it 'might accidentatly' be 'leaked' onto Trade Me, perhaps to promote a continuing Miscarriage of Justice.

Such a bugger that I can't remember the reporter's name at the moment because I was reminded of him by news this week which revealed that a Juror 'announced' something that had also happened during the retrial which has been upsetting her for 3 years. Similarly, she also didn't report her 'concerns' in the required fashion by informing the Court - she 'waited' for three years and went to the TV about it. The poor thing it must have been driving her crazy - like an itch. I didn't see the show but have read about it, she apparently revealed that some jurors visited the site of the old Bain home-stead, in fact the public already knew that, also knew that some Jurors took some written material pertaining to the case, or one very similar, into the Jury room. Information already in the public domain and of no apparent concern to the authorities. But this Juror who may have identified themselves decided she needed to point out that she never found David innocent. Obviously she might well have slept through a lot of the trial because the Jury of course had been asked only if they found David Guilty or Not Guilty by the normal test, beyond reasonable doubt. Apparently she confirmed  that there had not been enough evidence to satisfy her that David was guilty - so it remains a bit of mystery as to what she was talking about and why.

Then of course I began to consider that she, like that reporter who was warned to stay away from the Jury or be prosecuted, had both followed the same line - reported something in public which actually, if true, should have been immediately reported to the Court. That reporter of course already 'had form' for Jury stalking, along with his mates from the hate-site, (some of which is recorded on this site from a couple of years ago) - where there had been reports of 'having got' Jurors. What the 'got' actually means could be part of an inquiry at some point, but it does appear to indicate some sort of relationship between at least one Juror and an 'enterprise'  said up to spread hate and undermine the Justice system.

Baffled Bill Hodge had something to say about it as well, much like his confusion over aspects of the evidence in the Bain case which he hasn't understood or simply imagined. Bill for some reason has never chosen to connect the events of Jury stalking and public revelations of the  same, or the biased publicity of the Bain case nor the connection to the hate-sites. Maybe thinking about it gives him a head ache. Right on cue fat Tony Osook reports the pending TV show on the Trade Me website and after it's airing a 'newbie' starts a thread who along with another - promptly gets banned - showing plainly that Trade Me no longer want to have anything to do with on line harassment and defamation. Extraordinarily, yawn, Don Bain, and Ralph Taylor happen along and confirm their (actual words) belief that it okay to be in 'lynch mobs' and that David needs to get use to being harassed. News for them coming up of course.

Noted in all this is Justice Binnie's report, those that once lauded his input now denigrate him despite yet not having read the report. Real sick folks people, fiddler worshippers, stalkers and law breakers. I've heard an unconfirmed report that there is some disquiet at the Ministry over where blame might be laid in Binnie's report, the public are aware that Justice Binnie made the decision to speak to two controversial figures in the prosecution of the Bain case  - ex detectives Doyle and Weir. So that avenue might be the source of any criticism that could be mentioned in the report, or indeed it might of that of the Crown's oversights in many aspects of the 'actual Miscarriage of Justice.'

So there we are folks what is the real news on the Bain case? That David is yet to see the report even though he is the petitioner - I think so, that takes some beating. But on the face of it so does the criticism of a report yet to be made public. As for the concerned Juror well I hope she feels better having got things off her chest. On the specifics of a Jury who has been much maligned it seems that every 'attack' upon it, is viewed by the hate-siters as some kind of victory, yet here we see a Juror confirming that there wasn't evidence to convict David - as if the public didn't already know that. But additionally there seems to be no appreciation of the fact that the apparent 'mistakes' of procedure that might have been made by the Jury are not shown to have been to the benefit of David - if any of it is true it can't be said that it was to his advantage and does nothing to diminish what this Juror has apparently said - no evidence beyond reasonable doubt to convict David, and if the reports are accurate - the man tasked with the test of innocence has found in David's favour.

10 comments:

  1. He knows who he is. Others know who he is.

    About the programme, our old friend Bob Smith (Bill Rodie?) commented on the Sunday facebook page that the jurors' "...knowledge is superior to Judge Binnie." What an utter simpleton!

    The jurors know what was put in front of them in that one trial, plus anything they have since read or heard. What they have since read and heard will have been very one-sided, incomplete media coverage, or even more one-sided, incomplete and rather stupid stuff from that Counterspin site.

    Binnie, on the other hand, has had everything. All legal documents, all evidence and the decisions about evidence being withheld (and why) on both sides. He will have had a great deal more information than has ever been made public, and a great deal more than was put in front of the jury. And he will have had this without counsel posturing and theatrics, He will know what was withheld from the defence, what lies were told, what admissions have been made, what improper behaviour there was. He will have had the reasoning of Thorpe, the appeal courts and the Privy Council. He will have had (probably extensive) submissions from both Crown and Bain's representatives. He will have been able to ask questions and get answers.

    No wonder the counterspinners think that their pathetic and vindictive little campaign will have some impact, if they are so ignorant of what the process is.

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    1. Bob Smith/Bill Rodie, hang on, isn't he the person who offered to "peer review" Justice Binnie's report?
      Must be a very clever, highly qualified, Judge if he is any Peer of Binnie's.

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  2. I could very well be wrong and I accept that but could I at least take a guess??????????????

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    Linsay R. Kennard’s comment has been deleted

    Hi lindsay R. Kennard,

    The post above in no way invites a complete re-litigation of the Bain matter, frankly by allowing your comment to be published we would be inviting defamation proceedings.

    The above post is quite obviously about the juror and TVNZ’s potentially unlawful behaviour. You made the point that the juries choice was only ever between “guilty or not guilty” (as has always been the case). You further state that they, the jury in the Bain trial, opted for not guilty. You also refer to Joe Karam, stating that he was wrong to claim that David Bain had been proven to be 100% innocent; you have for some reason taken umbrage at Mr Karam’s purported statements, believing that he was wrong to have made those, again purported, claims.

    Sorry, but we have to advise you, Lindsay, that it is you old son who is wrong. Given that a fundamental tenet of our criminal justice system (Australia and New Zealand’s) is the doctrine of “innocent until proved guilty” it follows then that the prosecutions abject failure to secure a guilty verdict resulted in Bain continuing to be INNOCENT of the allegations – is that legal concept really that difficult to grasp.

    It seems to us that you may not have actually bothered reading our post; instead preferring to skip straight to the comments section, where you thought you could let rip on the keyboard with those chubby little fingers and would get away with sharing your “opinionated theories” of (in your opinion) Mr Bain’s obvious guilt. Of course “opinion” and “hearsay” are not fact nor are they verdicts and therefore they should be given absolutely no standing when addressing the facts.

    For the criminal justice system to work it must be left to the prosecution, the defense and their support team, the judges and those who serve on juries to make the calls, not the great unwashed whose sole knowledge of the proceedings has undoubtedly been filtered through the minds of New Zealand’s opinionated journo’s and television producers. Having said that Lindsay we invite you to resubmit your comment, but this time keep it on topic.

    Oh and if you are going to again allege that other juror’s during the Bain trial were caught out engaging in dodgey dealings please cite your sources.

    Just what is it about the Bain case, in particular, that would have a very vocal minority of New Zealander’s willing to see their justice system destroyed.

    There is no doubt that people are leaving that country as a result of the systems failures. Perhaps the writing is on the wall so to speak…1934 revisited?

    Regards...........................................

    I know I am wrong but the two people are so similar in that they are both so obsessed and impressed with their own importance its hard to tell them apart.

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  3. 25Minimum standards of criminal procedure
    Everyone who is charged with an offence has, in relation to the determination of the charge, the following minimum rights:

    (c)the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law:

    What more needs saying to the fools

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  4. The sunday episode didn't add anything to the case, I thought the jurors concerns were really rather pathetic!! What evidence would anyone visiting Every Street be likely to find?? Yet this somehow makes them in contempt of court!!
    Yes they didn't find David 'innocent' as that option was not available to them, also I thought expressing her view on compensation was inappropriate this is to be decided by cabinet and relying on Justice Binnies recommendation not the court of public opinion!! Amazing how many people think they have a better more qualified opinion on Davids guilt than the jury/privvy council, Justice Binnie etc. What do these idiots think they will achieve?

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  5. If they were agitating about a particular piece of evidence that might have some influence on the case they could possibly achieve something. But offering 'expert' opinion after first having declared that the Judge was a 'figurehead' shows a loose unit at work. She is an embarrassment to the other jurors, an attention seeker who thinks she is qualified by virtue of missing the bus when brains were being handed out. I can see why she was attracted to the hate-sites. As a typical hate-site dumbo she revealed her connections, The Press, Bill Hodge and the hate-sites. Achievement? Ding-bat Award.

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  6. This is a Time of fear and loathing.

    http://tumeke.blogspot.co.nz/search/label/Ross%20Meurant%27s%20posts

    This is a time when the police ignore the rule of law but are the law.

    This is a time when the calibre of police ministers our nation has endured for too long has been, in the writers view, a procession of dogs being wagged by the tail.

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  7. Incidentally if David Bain does not receive compensation this will be why.

    http://tumeke.blogspot.co.nz/search/label/Ross%20Meurant%27s%20posts

    This is a time when the calibre of police ministers our nation has endured for too long has been, in the writers view, a procession of dogs being wagged by the tail.

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  8. http://laudafinem.com/2012/11/23/tvnz-rogue-jurors-campaign-exposed/

    ‘but I can say your correspondent from the South Island above has withdrawn from the group to which he previously belonged.’

    Sorry Nos but Kennard is still less than honest. It was only in the last two or so days he concealed his list of friends on his Facebook account.

    One of those friends was in fact Kent Parker.

    I have to ask why on earth did he go to the trouble of concealing his friends on Facebook before submitting that post?

    He also claimed ..............’I do not know Kent Parker except as a name on a blog’

    I have an email from Mr Kennard dated 24 September 2010 also sent to Annette; Kalnocvitch Samoyeds; Melanie White; Kent Parker; Racheal Membery; CHRISTINE WILLIAMS in which he states “I am proud to have my name associated with the quest to return Roin Bain’s good name but once is enough. If the denying of Compensation will achieve that so be it”.

    If he has had a change of heart then let him make it publicly known he has made every other aspect of his life available to the public then I suggest you encourage him to state his position here and now.

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    1. Would somebody have as friends on facebook people they don't know, or communicate with? Such as Vic Pur, Annette Curran, Kate Kennedy? ;)

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