Beyond said...
Not just to the jurors either. In fact, to anyone, including people that offered accomodation to David, or even the extended family of those people. They stalk and attempt to interfere in the lives of anyone who shares an opinion different to theirs.
That they have been foolish enough to allow a public view to some of their acts is going to be their downfall. Any official complaints regarding this group now has the support they need to request a full investigation into the private communications between these group members. Which could result in their ISP being requested to make all emails etc available, in order to determine if there have been other criminal acts planned or discussed.
Enjoy reading your blog Nos. Thank you for the support.
As always I look forward to seeing the full picture revealed of the machinations that in the first instance failed to keep an innocent man falsely imprisoned and secondly failed to persecute the same man, David, to silence or wretchedness. The networking of these individuals has been fairly obvious, but anything revealed through clandestine communications (and there must be a lot of that) will give a fuller picture upon which true costs and liability can be measured.
There is layer upon layer of evidence forming against the hate-peddlers and it will be great to see the connections formed and some big fish landed. The use and abuse of willing perpetrators such as Annette and Michele always bore a cost able to seen by the discerning minded; their carelessness, bravado and sheer stupidity was always going to leave a trail. I suspect many people now see that honesty, that simple, sometimes snickered at word, was always going to prevail and that to try and bury it under misdemeanour and rumour was futile. Soon, it will only be the very sick-minded and twisted that will have any strength to fight the truth, and by then they will have sold out by their own bitterness and stupidity.
On the subject of "full picture" the retards should take into account that this is the police force that manufactured evidence against David Bain.
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Ross Meurant explains in his own words on how he has changed, how police culture has not,
The moment you step into the police, this subculture within NZ culture hits you. You are immediately part of the thin blue line. You are part of a team and that team looks after itself. You are special.
The attitudes of the police instructors, armed not with teaching certificates but with ten years' exposure to the police subculture, either consciously or subconsciously invite you into the forest.
Very soon you learn to decide what is evil and what is not.-
even a duty to guide the country to a decent society.-
That direction is best decided by you and others in your sub culture of police-
Thus, achieving this end can even justify the means!
Every new entrant runs the same gauntlet. No recruit is ever formally "taught" to use violence, to lie and cover up.
-the culture sends a very clear message. "When you witness transgression by a colleague, keep your mouth shut at worst and at best, provide an account which supports the miscreant and helps him/her out of a sticky situation."
If you don't, as a new recruit, you are ostracised. You may as well quit there and then. But once you have provided succor, you have taken your next step into the forest. Later you will witness another indiscretion and you will again "cover". After all, you have been accepted as one of the team. You are "reliable". To lose that status is not a desirable outcome. But already you are compromised. Then one day you will commit an indiscretion and others will cover for you. Then you are beholden.-
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It is introverted, self protecting and lacking objectivity. It is a culture which looks after itself and has a certain view of how life should proceed. It is reinforced by drinking and bonding sessions. The "them and us" ethos becomes tangible.
Bigoted and intolerant.
The police are insular.
If someone has tattoos or hair too long or dresses the "wrong" way or does not have "acceptable" politics, then they are one of "them" and not to be trusted.
http://www.converge.org.nz/pma/hr271007a.htm
Ross Meurant's days in the police were some time ago, and while his comments were probably relevant then, I think we have seen a welcome shift by virtue of the increasing number of women within the ranks, and they, the women themselves, having faced resistance and challenges, I believe prevail in bringing a new and superior quality of policing.
ReplyDeleteRoss Meurant's days in the police may have been some time ago, my point is that the police who investigated the Bain murders/suicide were of that era.
ReplyDeleteI agree that you are exactly right. Agreeing also, that those particular Dunedin Police were seperated to an extreme even beyond Meurant's discription.
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It is my view that the police then, as they do now, suffer greatly from the misconception that preservation of the police is more important than preservation of the rule of law.
It is my belief that the enormity of the implications of fabricated evidence on the scale perpetrated in the Thomas case was and remains too horrendous for the police, politicians and many of the public to contemplate.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10679310
In Ross Meurant's mind the years have changed nothing re police covering for police and you will find in years to come this will happen.
margust (Henderson)
01:32PM Wednesday, 13 Oct 2010
Interesting to say the least - as an ex-cops wife who was told categorically by him that John Hughes planted / fabricated evidence
Yes, even as time has passed it's not lost on anyone that had the investigation of the planting of the cartridges case been carried out with the same vigour as the framing of Arthur the tide may have turned in favour of Justice 30 years ago.
ReplyDeleteThe fact that the Police had no willingness then to pursue their own lawbreakers meant that some of those involved went on to take major roles in the adminstration of the law, already corrupted and knowing that 'fitting' people up bore no sanction. A very difficult corner to turn, so it's disappointing that the same has happened with the Bain case, many involved in the original MOJ, and still with interests to preserve, not only escaping sanction but being given another opportunity to cover their tracks. I think we need tougher cops at the top, those unafraid of the truth and willing to use outside audits on performance or controversy such as has happened with David. If we thought it stopped in the mid-nineties, we were wrong because only within the last couple of years a Dunedin Detective was sent by Robinson to uplift 'evidence' which didn't belong to the Police and told to tell the holder of the evidence that there was a Court Order permitting it. Of course no such order existed, but what we did see was the continued disregard for the Law by the same Police who administered a MOJ.
I think the Police Adminstration simplify public opinion too easily. They perhaps think the public should be 'preserved' from knowing the truth because the truth might not have a 'good look' about it. When in fact it is far more likely that public confidence would build when it seen that the Police will not tolerant MOJ perpetrated by it's members. We need a Police force to believe in, when at the time feeling is abroad that the Police can't be trusted, a situation cultivated by only a handful of members - but bearing weight on the entire force. Time for more women adminstrators who haven't found their way through controversial investigations to the top but have risen by being good managers and good cops to whom the adminstration of justice is always paramount.
The police culture that Meurant speaks about is like a brotherhood, but god help anyone that does break the the bounds of that relationship. There have been a few that have dared, some who have met with various forms of extreme bad luck.
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