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You talk about ‘hate sites’ on here, and that term has been ridiculed by posters on TradeMe. This caught my interest, so I have been looking it up. It seems that ‘hate sites’ are those internet sites run for and by members of ‘hate groups’ for ‘hate speech’, and are linked with ‘hate crimes’ I’ve picked up some working definitions from wiki that make sense to me:
A HATE GROUP is an organized group or movement that advocates hate, hostility, or violence towards members of a race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexual orientation or other designated sector of society. I would add to individuals or groups on other criteria, too.
HATE SPEECH is, outside the law, any communication which disparages a person or a group on the basis of some characteristic such as race or sexual orientation. In law, hate speech is any speech, gesture or conduct, writing, or display which is forbidden because it may incite violence or prejudicial action against or by a protected individual or group, or because it disparages or intimidates a protected individual or group.
HATE CRIME generally refers to criminal acts which are seen to have been motivated by hatred of one or more of the listed conditions. Incidents may involve physical assault, damage to property, bullying, harassment, verbal abuse or insults, or offensive graffiti or letters (hate mail).
So I wish to congratulate you for your use of the term ‘Hate sites’. The sites to which you refer are clearly run by ‘hate groups’; utilize ‘hate speech’ and perpetuate ‘hate crimes’.
Time it was stopped.

August 5, 2010 1:57 PM


Yes. They are hate-sites and it's important that is understood. Counterspin, Justice (sic) For Robin Bain and David Bain 'Free' Forums all fit those catagories. They, probably quite uniquely, have multiple targets, to name a few: The Justice System, Specific Members of the Bar, a particular Jury, several witnesses in the Bain trial, obviously Joe Karam and David Bain, and anyone that speaks out against them or exposes their lies.

It's easy to imagine that when these sites began they were like the proverbial children in the lolly shop, no apparent oppostion of any strength, a voice in the media and so forth, an apparently willing venue in Trade Me, and an perceived gap in the law applying to them. All things which have ultimately led to their failure. From the outset they had no proper organisation and didn't identify a single cause using rational arguments. They went looking for targets, in fact those targets were those they had already identified as enemies so their purposes were split between revenge, getting even and the overall picture of claiming the moral high ground in their effort to persecute a man already exonerated by the legal system.

The sites readily betrayed themselves with anger by targetting people on other boards, public figures and the like. They were the marauders who mistook their cause as a crusade. They had no discipline, no control and there were no boundaries. Those failures began with the hosts Parker and Perkiss who quite early showed a propensity toward self-importance and being recognised as white knights of some discription. They didn't see anything wrong with the rampages conducted against citizens going about their lawful business, they offered no reproach, in fact Perkiss is recorded as saying 'lets go get them' in reference to people that were stalked and identified before being harassed. I imagine a juvenile street gang would have been able to exercise more control and prudent advice that what Parker and Perkiss were able to muster - with one eye on the papers and the other on a mirror.

They willing entertained 'veterans of hate and stalking' such as Curran and OBrien as old and experienced hands, welcoming them into the fold with their tools of trade. They exploited the tactics of TM posters nina_concertina, rodney osook and linz4me of accusing others of what they had done themselves while all the while holding a pretence of properness. But look where they have got themselves - around each corner now they don't know what to expect so they rachet up the hate and dissemination seeming unwilling or unable to recognise the reality that they are exposed already and named in The Auckland High Court.

So yes Reader, hate-sites, no doubt.